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| [#2108] What are you listening to? CKM, haha..ha! this is not what i expect to hear from you, You must be very busy yesterday. The first 13 minutes is Prelude, You can hear how Wagner composed this Master piece Years ago, as a Classical beginner, Inspired by Classicalkan, I began my Journey to Opera Music. Hope you enjoy them soon! My only version from Mr. Kan  |
trazom 正式會員203.xxx.xxx.111 |
2007-10-12 16:24 | |
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| [#2109] What are you listening to? Trazom, Probably, I am too tired yesterday, I am now seeking Rene Jacobs Marriage of Figaro and Cosi Fan Tutti, and to my surprise Rene Jacobs have recorded Don Giovanni, I think you will be very interested.  |
chankaiming 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.106 |
2007-10-12 16:38 |
| [#2110] What are you listening to? Trazom, Would you mind telling me where can I buy Rene Jacobs Mozart Opera in Hong Kong, the price in HMV is sky high. |
chankaiming 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.106 |
2007-10-12 16:44 |
| [#2111] What are you listening to? CKM, Thanks for your inf. about Don Giovanni There is one 'Figaro' in 9/f Timesquare, You can ask the sale about Cosi Fan Tutti OR you can order from shops in Central. You are welcome to listen Opera in my place, so you woundn't fell asleep! |
trazom 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.111 |
2007-10-12 17:29 |
| [#2112] What are you listening to? Thanks trazom, Hope you enjoy the huge box of Haydn symphony as well. |
chankaiming 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.106 |
2007-10-12 19:35 |
| [#2113] What are you listening to? but I eventually fall asleep after 10 minutes ＞ I am reminded of Rossini's verdict: "Wagner has some lovely moments, but awful quarters of an hour." And, George1977 will know the source of these lines: "Yes, it was at dear 'Lohengrin'. I like Wagner's music better than anybody's. It is so loud that one can talk the whole time without other people hearing what one says. That is a great advantage: don't you think so, Mr Gray?" (I must confess that I have never finished a Wagner opera in its entirety, but I've found an abundant supply of lovely moments in DG's "Mad About Wagner" and Stokowski's Wagner CD in Decca's 6-CD Original Masters set.) |
trollope 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.133 |
2007-10-12 22:43 |
| [#2114] What are you listening to? Trollope what a familiar remark in chapter 4 from "The picture of Dorian Gray" well written by Oscar Wilde. I rarely listen to the whole set of Wagner's music dramas, but I do like his certain preludes such as Tannhauser, Tristan & Islode and Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg. Unless and until you are well-versed of North European mythology and the legend behind his masterpieces, otherwise stay away for a while. CKM is bold to try Tristan & Islode which should be the greatest works he ever composed. George  |
george1977 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.225 |
2007-10-12 23:23 |
| [#2115] What are you listening to? CKM & Trollope I recommend you to read a introductory book with some "academic" analysis about Wagner music dramas, highly recommended by my friend oscarwilde (a fervent Wagnerian too) when I studied in UK! Well-written but you have to be interesting of Wagner, otherwise you eventually fall into asleep less than 5 minutes! George  |
george1977 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.225 |
2007-10-12 23:30 |
| [#2116] What are you listening to? Chankaiming,  |
trollope 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.133 |
2007-10-13 20:49 |
| [#2117] What are you listening to? I like Ruodlf!  |
davecywong 正式會員 58.xxx.xxx.40 |
2007-10-13 20:56 |
| [#2118] What are you listening to? Hi davecywong, Nice collection on Ruodlf. Although I'm not his fans, I'm looking for his Beethoven Concerto No.4 with Ozawa LP under Terlac to complete the set. Have already completed Perahia's Beethoven set under Sony and now continue with his Mozart set. Anyway, 一切隨緣. |
erictang 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.222 |
2007-10-14 16:57 |
| [#2119] What are you listening to? Hello KH, George, Mr Leung, Mr Tam, This LP is played yesterday. I like all the 3 pieces and I find the cello sounds beautifully. Nevertheless, there are other players/recordings with better performance. Below from the record sleeve: The sheer beauty of Schiff's playing can be heard to its best advantage on his superb instrument made by Fernando Gagliano in 1781 in Naples. Penguin Guide rated it with 3 stars based on bargain-priced CD (DG 431 166-22) and below are the comments: Saint-Saens Cello Concerto No.1 Schiff gives as eloquent an account of this concerto as any on record. He sparks off an enthusiastic response from Mackerras, and the recorded sound and balance are excellent. At bargain price, this deserves the strongest recommendation. Lalo Cello Concerto No.1 This was Heinrich Schiff's debut recording in 1977, made when he was still very young. His account of the Lalo Concerto is fresh and enthusiastic and very well recorded for its period. With its excellent coupling it makes a real bargain. Faure Elegie Heinrich Schiff gives and eloquent account of the Elegie, and he is finely accompanied and superbly recorded.  |
erictang 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.222 |
2007-10-14 17:03 |
| [#2120] What are you listening to? Martha Argerich 技巧好不好？Horowitz 呢？幾乎是任何學鋼琴心中的大師。然而，我覺得他們的技巧是有缺陷的。因為技巧並不等於手指運動，手指頭動得快，又精準，如可怕的Kissin在李斯特「鬼火」上、Argerich在Rachmaninov Piano Concerto No.3上，然而，那只是指法上的成就，並不代表「技巧」這個複雜面向的全部。 技巧 (Virtuosity)，應該以層次來分：指頭上的（不要按錯音）、音色、節奏感，以及對結構的掌握、以及最難的「張力」。（Richter 雖以俄國曲目、德奧大作著稱於世，但若任由其法國音樂蒙塵不論，將難以公正論斷 Sviatoslav Richter的藝術） Argerich 在音色上就顯露她的缺陷：相對來說較單調無變化，這是我覺得最可惜的地方。Horowitz 指法驚人、音色繽紛，節奏獨特，張力十足，我覺得他是絕對偉大的鋼琴家，但是在結構的掌握上，我覺得大師總是有些不盡有說服力的地方。所以技巧的檢視，絕對是多面的，我們不能因為某鋼琴家彈的快又準又爽，我們就說他技巧很好，要知道，Pollini之為一代宗師，是在他的音色與節奏感，以及難能可貴的對樂曲張力的控制上，並不是他的那雙手指。回到Richter，我今天要上的菜單是他相當高的成就：法國音樂。 一位朋友說：「Richter？他不是最會狂敲嗎？」沒錯，Richter 最被讚嘆（或厭憎）的，就是他的「強音」（forte），也就是那種亂石崩雲、音量驚人的「狂敲」彈奏。然而，真的是這樣嗎？Richter 最高的成就在「強音敲打」？非也，我認為，Richter 最高的技藝成就，在他的「弱音」（pianissimo）。而且以弱音享譽樂壇的Walter Gieseking，或釵b這方面都要遜色幾分。 五八年莫斯科的「展覽會之畫」，「牛車」一段由極強到極弱的變化，焦元溥早有點名讚譽過，這只是一個例子，現場能夠做出完美又不貧乏的弱音，我想僅有Richter、Horowitz、Giesking、Michelangeli等大師有過神奇的鋪陳。Richter 的弱音，神奇處在極弱時，仍有音色的變化、光影的轉換，而且不會讓後排觀眾聽不到（這是國外聽過現場的鋼琴家說的），這種微妙、細緻又清晰的弱音，使得Richter 在法國音樂詮釋上，有相當不同於一般對他「粗暴」刻板印象的展現，成就極為令人驚豔。我想，即使對Richter早有定見的朋友，或酗揖i聽聽他的法國音樂詮釋。李希特的法國音樂演奏，不過Debussy、Ravel、Saint-Saen、Franck、Poulenc五家。 以下將概述李希特在這些法系大家精彩作品上，有如何的表現： （一）德布西 DG的「版畫」(Rome, 31 Oct, and Palermo, 9 Nov 1962)是Richter法國音樂的最高成就，他在弱音的處理幾乎成了後來鋼琴家的夢魘，而節奏感的奇妙流動，與樂句的時而清晰、時而朦朧的精妙踏瓣，即使錄音有很大的瑕疵，仍然達至不朽。1977年再次詮釋「版畫」（Orfeo），即無62年版驚人，但是Richter的音色更加清澈。「印象」第一冊絕版多年，第二冊Richter僅彈了第一首"Cloches a travers les feuilles"（Parnassus，1958），如同DG般出色。前奏曲第一冊散見DG、Vanguard等，第二冊在Stradivarius （93年）、AS（全，但絕版）等，Richter為這些個別的曲子各自獨立地塑造出不同的音色、分句，有極為出色的表現，此不贅述。「快樂島」是晚年錄音，李希特音色清澄、淡泊，層次極佳。1977年的「貝加馬組曲」，李希特並沒有突出的表現，「月光」一曲較平淡，期待60年代CBS版重新發行。與布列頓的四手聯彈「黑與白」，錄音不佳，但也可見奶O。 （二）拉威爾「高貴與感傷圓舞曲」與「鏡」是Richter演奏拉威爾的最高成就。兩曲分別在60、90年代各留下詮釋（Praga、Live Classics、Aura），其中布拉格的弱音層次，對照富蘭梭瓦與Perlemuter的演出，李希特顯得更為清晰而變化有致。「小丑的晨歌」與Gilels比起來不遑多讓，布拉格版熱力更甚。（新註：CBC的DVD版，是Richter現存最值得一看的演奏）我個人相當欣賞Richter1994年的「高貴與感傷圓舞曲」（Aura），那是近於莊嚴、沒有雜質的一種演詮。「水之嬉戲」、「夜之加斯巴的水妖」、「死公主孔雀舞」都只在50年代驚鴻一瞥（Parnassus），要體會Milstein損Richter 的話：「那不是水之嬉戲，那是冰柱！」有興趣的網友可找來聽聽。（當然，這是見仁見智的！）拉威爾的鋼琴三重奏（Live Classics），一定要聽一次，這是偉大的詮釋！ （三）法朗克糾結神秘的Les Djinns 、f小調鋼琴五重奏，Richter彈得令人恍惚。他與Oistrakh的小提琴奏鳴曲是本世紀小提琴與鋼琴對話的典範（JVC），美麗又熱切！與Kagan、 Gutman的鋼琴三重奏，呈現出不可思議的美感，難以言敘。但最令人推崇的，我認為還是「前奏，聖詠與賦格」（66年Philips，94年 Aura），Richter的演奏虔誠又有靈性，音色澄淨、結構有如自成國度，是必聽的法國音樂之鋼琴作品，我覺得94年版境界高超，但音色控制不若66年，殊為可惜。 （四）聖桑動人細緻的第五號鋼琴協奏曲被演奏成宏偉的架構，1993年Richter在Escenbach的指揮下，將此曲美麗無比的旋律以豐富的音色、歌唱性十足的線條演奏出來，不但色彩繽紛，而且張力十足，顯示出Richter的壯闊氣韻。（Darre與Roge的成就早有定評，Richter此曲顯示出的，是完全不同面向的偉大成就。）90年代與Gutman錄下的大提琴奏鳴曲，呈現出作曲家晚年肅穆但寧靜的風格，值得一聽再聽。 （五）普朗克 Aubade是Richter僅見的普朗克錄音， with Paillard, Jean-Francois Paillard Chamber Orchestra (Tours, 3 July 1965)，遍尋不著。（新註：後來找到與Leoskaja的現場版雙鋼琴協奏曲，慢版還當作安可演奏了一次，整體演奏呈現出室內樂般的親密，慢版動人之極。）Richter 雖以俄國曲目、德奧大作著稱於世，但若任由其法國音樂蒙塵不論，不但難以公正論斷Richter的藝術，也將使本世紀法系音樂演奏史遺珠之甚！推薦大家Richter的法國音樂演奏。  |
george1977 正式會員 58.xxx.xxx.89 |
2007-10-15 01:16 |
| [#2121] What are you listening to? The big box of CD from Germany have arrived. I start off by Listening to Oistrakh chamber music set, Oistrakh have a warm and passionate tone, his strength was best heard in romantic music, however he was similiar authoritative in Modern music. I listened to the following disc last night, the recording was variable but more of them are closely recording, as a result the violin sound of Oistrakh was heard clearly. Oistrakh playing was marvelous, every note was played with passion and fire. I am eager to listen to other disc, especially his collaboration with Richter.  |
chankaiming 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.106 |
2007-10-15 09:48 |
| [#2122] What are you listening to? Yesterday, I booked the seat for HKPO's Mahler series on 16/11/2007, The programme as follows: Programme R Strauss Four last songs R Strauss Four last songs Mahler Symphony No.6 Mahler Symphony No.6 Since his inaugural Hong Kong concert in October 2004, Edo de Waart has put the symphonies of Gustav Mahler at the heart of the Hong Kong Philharmonic’s programming with powerful performances signposting the Orchestra’s artistic growth. The massive Sixth Symphony is dark and turbulent, its hero a tragic victim of cruel fate. By contrast, Richard Strauss’s Four Last Songs are radiantly serene and Finnish soprano Soile Isokoski is widely regarded as among their finest interpreters. I wonder anyone interested to come as well.  |
chankaiming 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.106 |
2007-10-15 10:33 |
| [#2123] What are you listening to? george, Thanks for the Kathleen Ferrier LP. It is indeed a treasure. The sound is surprisingly good despite the recording age. |
kh33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.216 |
2007-10-15 12:19 |
| [#2124] What are you listening to? KH33 If you love it, then I dun feel regretful to give you her LP coz the reproduction quality at your home is better than mine, she was underestimated of her artistic quality and contribution. I truly enjoy that afternoon with four of you, though we were so late to start our music banquet at 4pm. Hope others can contribute too! |
george1977 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.94 |
2007-10-15 16:28 |
| [#2125] What are you listening to? Last night, listened to Rubinstein classic version of Chopin's piano concerto, Rubinstein playing was warm, natural, fluent and the music seem cannot be played in any other way.  |
chankaiming 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.106 |
2007-10-16 11:27 |
| [#2126] What are you listening to? Last night, My Consonance reference 2.2 CD player cann read my disc,therefore I have to use by bedroom CD player instead. In order to test my system, I played Britten's Young people's guide to orchestra, some quote from net: 第八張，用來測試定位，是 Britten : Young Person's Guide to the Orchestra 又是他？是不是偏心了一點，但這樂曲帶來少年的快樂回憶，中學的音樂老師，把這唱片放給我們聽，同 時用一張大大的Poster把整隊樂團每一種樂器都作介紹。我念中學的時間，英國氣氛很強，英語老師，音 樂老師都是英國人。當然理所當然用Britten這首音樂。前文有講到，二次大戰後，英國升平，希望更多 的年輕人懂得欣賞音樂，這樂曲在六零跟七零年代很流行，也有用名人James Bond 做旁白的版本。 話說回來，這音樂用Purcell的一主題，加以變奏，成為頗悅耳的音樂。這1963 版本是所有版本的 benchmark. 加上當紅的 London Symphony Orchestra (LSO), 和 Decca 的錄音隊伍，London Kingsway Hall, 發燒天碟的發源地，是最值得擁有的版本。Britten 親自指揮，把音樂的速度，節奏控制導很到位 ，有一氣呵成的感覺。 測試我建議用Young Person's Guide to Orchestra 少年人樂隊指南，和 Simple Symphony. 也是用五個領域來試 1.開場主體展開後,第一組出場是木管,有沒有辦法把他們分出,他們的位置很接近,但定位准的話,應該分得出來.同場有豎琴,然後由低音提琴伴著木管. 跟著弦樂出場,這裡是聽各組的定位,左右之外,還有起前後,木管是在弦樂後一點的. 2.銅管組跟著出場,從左面開始,一種一種的表演,法國號,小號,伸縮喇叭,Tuba,注意,Tuba是在最中間. 這一組的定位分隔很清楚,有點誇張.但清楚地不得了. 3.Percusion 是定位示范段落,所有樂器都出場,位置明顯,推出喇叭之外,像繁星在天空,定音鼓,大鼓的定 位你分得出來嗎? 4.最後的全奏高潮,是定位的挑戰,前面個別聽得清楚的,在全奏的時候還能聽到找到嗎.順序是木管,弦樂, 銅管,Percussion把樂章推到高潮,你有可能不經意的把音量調高,聽到的是一張畫,裡面是一件件的樂器. 5.Simple Symphony 的錄音比 YPGO 更美,是Wilkinson 操刀,第二樂章 Playful Pizziccato,試試音佳品 ,整個弦樂組都用撥弦方法把旋律奏出,不是火爆,但對系統的速度,節奏,和瞬變能力是考驗,最後低音提琴 組加入,一下一下的.你的系統交代得如何.坦白的,我的802在這段露出馬腳. 這CD全樂隊出場,有單人,雙人,單一組,全隊的表演, 需然可能部分誇張了一點,但用來試定位,很過癮.  |
chankaiming 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.106 |
2007-10-17 11:06 |
| [#2127] What are you listening to? Actually the following artical is very informative, by chowhwk: 用十張西洋古典CD來建立你的Hi Fi測試平台 試音響是一件難事要試得好更難,因為很難有一個標准，用來比較，高端音響是抽象的，嚴格測試是理論科學化的。其實人類聽聲音的記憶力只有很短。老實說，一定記不得，說記得也是自己篇出來的，所以一定要用一個好的方法才樣我們可以好好的比較音響器材，換了線，加了釘。不會一時沖動作無謂投資。我喜愛古典音樂，聽了好幾年，參考書本和音響文章，眾合音響的試聽報告。提供大家參考。 這工具平台盡量不用高價的試音盤。大部分應還可以在市上買到,了解也同時有高價新版和廉價版本。 大家也可以用同一道理，把一套自家的測試方法建立起來，用自己挑選最喜愛的十張，也是一樂。不用多花一毛。 這平台把CD分四組，分別測試四個領域。如果要評分的話，每CD十分，滿分共100分。每一張CD眾裡面細選錄音的細節，段落或樂章。共選出大約五個測試的細節問題，考驗，難關，用作指標來試。 第一組是最基本的聲音。真實，精純，但是要有美感，通俗一點是像真的一樣。沒有渲染，沒有沙石，但能把音樂的美妙表達出來。 三張CD是一張樂器，一張人聲，一張交響樂團，把簡單的一兩件樂器，到大堆頭的場面，中高音到低。人聲是我們每天都聽到的因其是最理想的測試工具。我喜歡用小提琴和鋼琴為第一關，第二關用女高音或男高音，采其音域廣，唱到高調時候，是音響的考驗。調得不好的會開叉，特別是女高音，好的時候是出谷黃鶯，高唱入雲，一不小心便要掩耳而逃。因此很多發燒友不大喜歡，像蔡琴便較易接受。第三關用大型交響管弦樂隊，樂器多花樣也多，目標是看全音域和整體的表現，這裡是看你有沒有感到美感，像真絲還是人做絲的布料？弦樂群奏是一群還是一團，樂器獨奏會不會被樂隊遜L，管銅管色彩不一，木管要有水分跟空氣感，銅管要有金屬的光輝耀眼。 |
chankaiming 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.106 |
2007-10-17 11:18 |
