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| [#2528] HKPO/EdW/Mahler 6 George 1977, My favorite was Karajan again Some old post: Mahler symphony No.9 comtained the most moving music Mahler have ever written, from the `conflict between the elements of life and death' of the first movement, to the `dance of death' of second movement until the `self-conscious farewell to the world' of the final movement, it can really bring tears to the heart of stone. Mahler's symphony was very fortunate on record, I found three great version of Mahler's symphony no.9 on my shelf. Haitink's version was honest and direct, Barbirolli's version was fluent, but it was Karajan (live version) who can make this music sound heavenly. Bertini version was one of the slowest on record, the last movement last as long as 28 minutes, but Bertini's specially lyrical sense hang me on until the very last minute, benefit from the fact that it was a live recording, the playing was most affectionate and other-worldly, I soon forget where I was and was total immersed under the sound of the music. All in all, Bertini was a fine set, I especially love his live recording that was his first, eighth, ninth symphony and `Song of the earth', while others are honest and direct. In the end, Mahler's music are best heard live. After two weeks of Mahler's music, I really feel a bit exhausted in between, maybe due to the music itself, I was especially exhausted after listened to his sixth and seventh symphony, but after listened to Symphony no.9 and `Song of the earth' I have nothing in my mind but peace. I can only agree with Karajan: `It is music coming from another world, it is coming from eternity'  |
chankaiming 正式會員203.xxx.xxx.106 |
2007-11-30 11:03 | |
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| [#2529] In the mood of Lupu's recording Yesterday listened this. Relax and very good for listening at night. 邊個邊個 This Maher Symphony No. 9 by Karajan is also my favourite. Will listen tonight. ^^  |
pumbaa 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.186 |
2007-11-30 11:03 |
| [#2530] 古典迷飲茶吹水會II 古典迷飲茶吹水會II Date: 16 December 2007 ( Sunday ) Time: 1:30pm Location: 雅苑酒家, 火炭火車站銀禧閣商場 (table reserved under Mr Chan, 12 person estimated) Map:http://www.ckharcades.com/ck_chi/EAI/JCSC/jcsc.htm Topic: What are your favorite melody/movement (Please bring along a CD of your favorite tunes/melody/movement by your favorite perfromers to share with us on that day) Please sign up: 1.Chankaiming 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.  |
chankaiming 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.106 |
2007-11-30 11:20 |
| [#2531] HKPO/EdW/Mahler 9 邊個邊個 Morning! owe you DVD reviews of Szeryng and Gramiaux still! Certainly we could not forget the transcendtal and monumental live performance rendered by the late maestro karajan and BPO, the so-called "karajan sound" was perfectly demonstrated in this recording with his unusual warmth, glowing emotion, detailed nuance and steady tempo, all edges and contrasts were polished as beautiful and smooth as possible, an utter display of "karajan sound"! I know that some anti-karajan camp dislike his karajan-sound by virtue of his uniquely polishing techique (make-up effect) and bloomy sonority, we however could not deny its greatness and timelessness! but compare to Bernstein, I still insist Bernstein's neurotic account as first option! As far as I know, Karajan spent over 70 hours to make a rehearsal and hundred hours to read through the whole score of Mahler Symphony No.9, what a meticulous and time-consuming effort! no wonder the late music critic Arnold Schonberg at New York Times once wrote after listening karajan's live concert in New York "One of the greatest interpretation I have ever heard in my lifetime.." a truly indispensable account we Mahler freak should not be without! |
george1977 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.94 |
2007-11-30 11:23 |
| [#2532] HKPO/EdW/Mahler 9 Hi George, Quoted"Karajan spent over 70 hours to make a rehearsal and hundred hours to read through the whole score of Mahler Symphony No.9, what a meticulous and time-consuming effort!" Thanks for sharing. |
pumbaa 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.186 |
2007-11-30 11:38 |
| [#2533] HKPO/EdW/Mahler 9 CKM Thank for your in-depth and detailed review of Karajan's Mahler Ninth recording, your interesting points really drove me to revisit this account tonight (idle for long long time!) Pumbaa You are always welcome! hope that you can share us some information we are unaware of! George |
george1977 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.94 |
2007-11-30 11:45 |
| [#2534] Lupu 的舒伯特鋼琴作品 george, Reading your musical review is a delight. Your comments on Lupu reminds me of the live performance years ago with him playing the Brahms piano concerto no.1, together with the Europian youth Orchestra, a truly unforgetable experience, one of the best Brahms 1 I heard. |
kh33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.182 |
2007-11-30 11:46 |
| [#2535] 古典迷飲茶吹水會II 古典迷飲茶吹水會II Date: 16 December 2007 ( Sunday ) Time: 1:30pm Location: 雅苑酒家, 火炭火車站銀禧閣商場 (table reserved under Mr Chan, 12 person estimated) Map:http://www.ckharcades.com/ck_chi/EAI/JCSC/jcsc.htm Topic: What are your favorite melody/movement (Please bring along a CD of your favorite tunes/melody/movement by your favorite perfromers to share with us on that day) Please sign up: 1.Chankaiming 2.邊個邊個 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. |
邊個邊個 正式會員 158.xxx.xxx.114 |
2007-11-30 11:46 |
| [#2536] 古典迷飲茶吹水會II 古典迷飲茶吹水會II Date: 16 December 2007 ( Sunday ) Time: 1:30pm Location: 雅苑酒家, 火炭火車站銀禧閣商場 (table reserved under Mr Chan, 12 person estimated) Map:http://www.ckharcades.com/ck_chi/EAI/JCSC/jcsc.htm Topic: What are your favorite melody/movement (Please bring along a CD of your favorite tunes/melody/movement by your favorite perfromers to share with us on that day) Please sign up: 1.Chankaiming 2.kh 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. Perhaps some Mahler 9 after the yumcha. |
kh33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.182 |
2007-11-30 11:51 |
| [#2537] 古典迷飲茶吹水會II 古典迷飲茶吹水會II Date: 16 December 2007 ( Sunday ) Time: 1:30pm Location: 雅苑酒家, 火炭火車站銀禧閣商場 (table reserved under Mr Chan, 12 person estimated) Map:http://www.ckharcades.com/ck_chi/EAI/JCSC/jcsc.htm Topic: What are your favorite melody/movement (Please bring along a CD of your favorite tunes/melody/movement by your favorite perfromers to share with us on that day) Please sign up: 1.Chankaiming 2.邊個邊個 3.kh 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. Perhaps some Mahler 9 after the yumcha. |
kh33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.182 |
2007-11-30 11:53 |
| [#2538] 古典迷飲茶吹水會II 古典迷飲茶吹水會II Date: 16 December 2007 ( Sunday ) Time: 1:30pm Location: 雅苑酒家, 火炭火車站銀禧閣商場 (table reserved under Mr Chan, 12 person estimated) Map:http://www.ckharcades.com/ck_chi/EAI/JCSC/jcsc.htm Topic: What are your favorite melody/movement (Please bring along a CD of your favorite tunes/melody/movement by your favorite perfromers to share with us on that day) Please sign up: 1.Chankaiming 2.邊個邊個 3.kh 4.George1977 (I hope I can make it finally!) 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. Perhaps some Mahler 9 after the yumcha. Sure, we can compare the versions one after one! |
george1977 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.94 |
2007-11-30 12:00 |
| [#2539] Lupu 的舒伯特鋼琴作品 Kh, I am flattered! Compare to CKM and your reviews, my review is simply nothing but ordinary and clumsy, indeed I favor a much concise and short essay, like CKM, DJ and your style! Lupu's has been my favourite since hearing his Schubert impromptu D899 & 935, an unforgettable rendition which enlightens my mind how beautiful and poetric shcubert's music should be, certainly Brendel's account seem having more viennese charm ! Still Lupu should not be underrated like this. So glad that you heard Lupu's live concert, he is undoubtedly a figure in my concert wish list if he visits HK. George |
george1977 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.94 |
2007-11-30 12:26 |
| [#2540] 古典迷飲茶吹水會II 古典迷飲茶吹水會II Date: 16 December 2007 ( Sunday ) Time: 1:30pm Location: 雅苑酒家, 火炭火車站銀禧閣商場 (table reserved under Mr Chan, 12 person estimated) Map:http://www.ckharcades.com/ck_chi/EAI/JCSC/jcsc.htm Topic: What are your favorite melody/movement (Please bring along a CD of your favorite tunes/melody/movement by your favorite perfromers to share with us on that day) Please sign up: 1.Chankaiming 2.邊個邊個 3.kh 4.George1977 (I hope I can make it finally!) 5.Sokps 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. Perhaps some Mahler 9 after the yumcha. Sure, we can compare the versions one after one! |
Sokps 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.236 |
2007-11-30 20:48 |
| [#2541] 古典迷飲茶吹水會II CKM Hing, Can I join and learn how to appreciate classical music? Thanks for your consideration. |
ck2005 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.139 |
2007-11-30 21:12 |
| [#2542] 古典迷飲茶吹水會II CKM， 如果我剛好到香港，一定留一個位置給我。好久沒有去沙田了，希望找得到。 |
chowhwk 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.58 |
2007-11-30 21:19 |
| [#2543] 古典迷飲茶吹水會II 古典迷飲茶吹水會II Date: 16 December 2007 ( Sunday ) Time: 1:30pm Location: 雅苑酒家, 火炭火車站銀禧閣商場 (table reserved under Mr Chan, 12 person estimated) Map:http://www.ckharcades.com/ck_chi/EAI/JCSC/jcsc.htm Topic: What are your favorite melody/movement (Please bring along a CD of your favorite tunes/melody/movement by your favorite perfromers to share with us on that day) Please sign up: 1.Chankaiming 2.邊個邊個 3.kh 4.George1977 (I hope I can make it finally!) 5.Sokps (welcome, please check pm ) 6.ck2005 (welcome, please check pm ) 7. chowhwk (welcome, please check pm ) 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. Perhaps some Mahler 9 after the yumcha. Sure, we can compare the versions one after one! |
chankaiming 正式會員 59.xxx.xxx.22 |
2007-11-30 23:28 |
| [#2544] 古典迷飲茶吹水會II 古典迷飲茶吹水會II Date: 16 December 2007 ( Sunday ) Time: 1:30pm Location: 雅苑酒家, 火炭火車站銀禧閣商場 (table reserved under Mr Chan, 12 person estimated) Map:http://www.ckharcades.com/ck_chi/EAI/JCSC/jcsc.htm Topic: What are your favorite melody/movement (Please bring along a CD of your favorite tunes/melody/movement by your favorite perfromers to share with us on that day) Please sign up: 1.Chankaiming 2.邊個邊個 3.kh 4.George1977 (I hope I can make it finally!) 5.Sokps (welcome, please check pm ) 6.ck2005 (welcome, please check pm ) 7. chowhwk (welcome, please check pm ) 8. erictang 9. 10. 11. 12. Perhaps some Mahler 9 after the yumcha. Sure, we can compare the versions one after one! |
erictang 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.55 |
2007-11-30 23:42 |
| [#2545] HKPO/EdW/Mahler 6 NAR, 多謝兄台為 HKPO 及 de Waart 先生出一口氣, 認真精彩 !!! 身為土生土長香港人, W見也好, W心也好, 我都擁護自家 HKPO, 只有在香港寄居, 整天對香港週遭事物發嘮囌、 吃奶螳Q之人才會如此侮辱 HKPO 及 de Waart 先生, 又有可能是故作高深 “扮洁 吧。 我亦深信聽現場音樂與聽 hi-fi 一樣有皇帝位, 但對於喜好在一堆雜物內、 及在現場坐最後排座位聽背景式音樂之人來說, 恐怕兄台的所有建議為對牛彈琴而已 !!! |
cclai870 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.158 |
2007-12-01 01:28 |
| [#2546] Lupu 早晨.. 當年decca第二隻digital黑膠。 大鬍子其實很溫柔。  |
邊個邊個 正式會員 158.xxx.xxx.114 |
2007-12-01 09:43 |
| [#2547] HKPO/EdW/Mahler 6 There was a hot debate on how Mahler sixth should be performed, in fact this kind of controversy is not uncommon among classical music circle, the main reason root in the Mahler sixth symphony itself. In order to help us understand the background of Mahler's Sixth, May I draw your attention to the following words by Tony Duggan a Mahler specialist: ‘Mahler said "My Sixth will be asking riddles that can be solved only by a generation that has received and digested my first five." He was right. I believe the Sixth is the principal work of Mahler’s that performers and audiences are still coming to terms with, still solving those riddles, and so my conclusions here are perforce less emphatic, more provisional. No bad thing. Part of the response to great art is the constant asking of questions. That way we become more involved and maybe another generation must pass before we come close to pinning down what Mahler was doing in this work.’ http://www.musicweb.uk.net/Mahler/Mahler6.htm Indeed, Mahler enjoy his happiest time in his whole life when he compose his sixth symphony, His daughter was born, he was appointed as the Chief conuctor of Vienna Philharmonic, However he wrote a symphony which was most tragic ever, depicting a hero who was struck down by his own fate, signified by the three hammer blow at the end. Why was that? His wife have given us an explanation that Mahler foresee his tragical fate thereafter, but as a reasonable person we all know that it is impossible. On the intrepretation of this symphony, we still do not have a definitve answer yet. Some conductor may consider Mahler's Sixth as a modern music with traits of classical period (at least the sturcture of this symphony are classical four movement) like Szell, Boulez or Edo De Waarts this time; some may treat it as a melodrama like Tennstedt (or Bernstein according to Duggan); while some may treat it as a real tragedy like Baribolli. Which approach is the best? I am afraid even Mahler cannot give you an answer, maybe psychologist or psychiarist can. cclai870: can you enlighten us on your view of Edo de Waart intrepretation of Mahler's Sixth? My view on this symphony can be summerize in this painting by Klimt.  |
chankaiming 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.106 |
2007-12-01 09:54 |
