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[#3076] Karajan said - In that case I'm a Chinaman    
You are welcome.
classicalkan
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222.xxx.xxx.79
2005-03-15 22:22
[#3077] Re: Triple Concerto    
trollope,

I've got both the Beethoven's Triple Concerto by Oistrakh/Richter/Rostropovich/Karajan (EMI) and the "Richter:The Enigma" DVD. If you remember, there's a short recording of Oistrakh/Richter/Rostropovich/Kondrashin playing Beethoven's Triple Concerto in the DVD (just 1 year after the 3 Slavs made the EMI recording).

After I watched the DVD for the first time, I found my EMI CD to compared the same short passage. Oistrakh/Richter/Rostropovich/Kondrashin version in the DVD, though short is much, much better than the Oistrakh/Richter/Rostropovich/Karajan version. It's a pity that Oistrakh/Richter/Rostropovich/Kondrashin version isn't issued in full in any audio format.
DL
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218.xxx.xxx.91
2005-03-16 02:42
[#3078] Re: Triple Concerto    
About Beethoven cello Sonata, recently I found Lynn Harrell (on double decca) a good choice.
erictang
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202.xxx.xxx.113
2005-03-16 13:12
[#3079] Re: Triple Concerto    
Hi DL and All,

Many thanks for the information. Indeed Beethoven's Triple Concerto with Richter, Oistrakh, Rostropovich as soloists, and with Kondrashin conducting the Moscow Philharmonic (5 January 1970, Main Hall, Moscow Conservatory) has never appeared in its entirety in audio-only format. Only the first movement has been made available, twice, by EMI: Toshiba-EMI TOCE; and also as part of the 13-CD set "Rostropovich: The Russian Years".

Let's hope that EMI will soon be so kind as to re-release in DVD format this recording in full which has previously appeared in both LD and VHS formats, entitled "David Oistrakh - Archival Treasures". It's in Volume 2: 4 91301-1 (LP) or 4 91301-3 (VHS).

Meanwhile, if waiting for that is a torture, one may consider this rather expensive issue from Japan:

Dreamlife DLCV-1112 "Concerto Complete -- David Oistrakh", which contains a number of complete violin concertos from Vivaldi to Shostakovich, including the Beethoven Triple Concerto with the above-mentioned dream-cast.

But it's an investment too expensive for me. Besides, I have been warned by a friend in the Sviatoslav Richter E-mail Group that the sound is "pretty bad mono".

There is a review, in Chinese, in this site: http://www.cnamusic.com/

But it's decidedly one-sided, all pros and no cons, typical of recorded music reviews in Chinese magazines.
trollope
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147.xxx.xxx.64
2005-03-16 14:10
[#3080] Re: Triple Concerto    
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Hi Trollope and the rest,

You are such a troublemaker!
For a long time I was happy with the Karajan version of the Beethoven's Triple Concerto. Now that I found out there are more, I feeeeeeel incomplete when listen to the same CD.

As I always believe, knowing less is always merrier!

With your input, not only do I need to squeeze time to read the Bruno Monsaingeon book, I have to search for the Kondrashin DVD version that DL recommended!

That is a lot of work! Almost a full time job.

Well, you better up-front with all the hidden agenda with this Beethoven Triple piece. No more surprise! Let rid of it once and for all. Capeesh?

Anyway you guys are great!


PS I am listening to the Arthur Grumiaux this morning. And I am happy!

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Tanuski
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69.xxx.xxx.10
2005-03-16 21:35
[#3081] Re: Triple Concerto    
Hi Tanuski,

I like Grumiaux too. I think he plays Mozart, Mendelssohn and Bach well.

I have this boxset instead of your version.

Regards,
John

jttlee
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203.xxx.xxx.3
2005-03-16 22:11
[#3082] Re: Arthur Grumiaux    
Hi Tanuski,

Like to share with u that Arthur Grumiaux's Bach
Violin and Double Violin Concerto is my all time favourite whihc is energtic but nothing less than elegant.
ocean
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61.xxx.xxx.25
2005-03-17 01:25
[#3083] Re: Arthur Grumiaux    
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Hi Ocean and all,

I do not have the Arthur Grumiaux's version.

The only Bach Double Concerto that I have is by Heifetz.
How do you like the Grumiaux performance?
Which company made the CD?

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Tanuski
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69.xxx.xxx.10
2005-03-17 06:46
[#3084] Re: Arthur Grumiaux    
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BTW as a token of appreciation, I am sharing/ attaching a picture of downtown Manhattan I photographed this afternoon. The weather was good for a winter day and I took a walk.

Those are the City Hall buildings.

If anybody feels it irrelevant or annoyed by the material, please let me know.

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Tanuski
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69.xxx.xxx.10
2005-03-17 07:14
[#3085] Re: Arthur Grumiaux    
Hi Tanuski, a breath of fresh air -- much appreciated.
trollope
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202.xxx.xxx.193
2005-03-17 09:51
[#3086] Re: Arthur Grumiaux    
Hi Tanuki,

Sorry for this unclear pic.
Please note that Edo De Waart also has his performance in this CD.


ocean
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61.xxx.xxx.25
2005-03-17 11:52
[#3087] Re: Arthur Grumiaux    
Tanuski,

Actually, the Oistrakh/Richter/Rostropovich/Kondrashin version of Triple Concerto in "Richter - The Enigma" DVD is only around 1 min (though you can immediately knows its greatness). So you may not need to buy that DVD because of that Concerto. If you're a Richter fans, then you shouldn't miss the DVD. Following is the DVD's cover.


DL
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202.xxx.xxx.39
2005-03-17 13:57
[#3088] Re: Arthur Grumiaux    
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Hi guys,

Thanks for being lenient and informative.

I am still considering if I should buy the Arthur Grumiaux's Bach that Ocean recommended.

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Tanuski
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69.xxx.xxx.10
2005-03-17 23:38
[#3089] Re: Arthur Grumiaux    
Grumiaux's Bach is a must have version although I just have the cheap cheap Philips 2 CD version ($75 at HK record). Perlman and Szeryngy are also great for me.
FatGuy
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210.xxx.xxx.228
2005-03-18 18:52
[#3090] Re: Arthur Grumiaux    
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Guys,

Guess what?

My Richter reading has arrived this morning. Now I have to find time to run through it.

When I am done with this book, I will be as learned as Trollope! It's it lovely?

Cheers!

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Tanuski
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69.xxx.xxx.10
2005-03-20 06:59
[#3091] Requiescat in pace    
Sviatoslav Richter was born in Zhitomir, in the Ukraine, on 20 March, 1915.
trollope
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147.xxx.xxx.64
2005-03-21 13:40
[#3092] Requiescat in pace    
Hi! Any of u bros like Otto Klemperer ?
i am a big fan. perhaps let's share listening experience / our own CD catalogue here : ]

btw, his biography is very very expensive; and the converstion collection are only to be found in university libraries hm...
wal
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202.xxx.xxx.226
2005-03-21 16:58
[#3093] Klemperer 78 years ago    
Hi wal, I'm at this moment listening to Otto Klemperer's "Leonora No.3 Overture", a recording he made with the Orchester der Staatsoper Berlin in 1927.

People tend to think Klemperer's approach austere and "objective", while the opposite camp include Furtwangler and Walter et al who are held to be warm and "subjective". But I find Klemperer's Beethoven and Mahler not at all lacking in affection and human kindness. The intensity is unmistakably present, but equally present is an eagerness that makes you feel yourself warming to the composer. One of my favourite recordings of his is the Mahler's Second. Everything seems right: Elisabeth Schwarzkopt, the Philharmonia, Kingsway Hall, Walter Legge ...
trollope
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202.xxx.xxx.193
2005-03-22 00:00
[#3094] Klemperer 78 years ago    
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I am listening to Kathleen Battle.

For nostalgic reason, she is one of my all time favorites. Sort of reminds me of Snow White that we all grew up with.

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Tanuski
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69.xxx.xxx.10
2005-03-22 00:36
[#3095] Klemperer 78 years ago    
Yes, trollope. I have to say and happily receive OK’s approach to the great Viennese/ German pieces (Beethoven, Brahms, Mozart, Mahler & Wagner – though his Bach/ Handel can be controversial): in his slow tempo the details and grandeur of the music is so eagerly (to borrow your word) and truthfully revealed. Walter is also very capable but some of his later Columbia recordings of the Beethoven symphonies are not too satisfying.

I think Furtwangler does his best with Brahms and Schubert symphonies (and perhaps 1 or 2 versions of Beethoven’s 9th, too), as well as German operas. It is sad that BW didn’t had the energy to make operas for stereo recordings – but his Met Fidelio with Flagstad (+ the Furtwangler version with Patzak) is just powerful. And with OK’s Testament recording of the opera, these 3 are indeed THE references.

Btw, both OK and BW are a must for Mahler – symphonies nos. 2 & 4!

Cheers.
wal
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202.xxx.xxx.226
2005-03-22 12:04
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