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| [#3777] 元秋 You may also be interested to take a look of this photo at the back cover.  |
trollope 正式會員202.xxx.xxx.224 |
2005-06-09 00:29 | |
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| [#3778] 元秋 Wahahahahah-kakakakakaaa trollope, you could listen to her playing while watching Kung Fu ! |
wal 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.226 |
2005-06-09 11:25 |
| [#3779] They've arrived ! By the way, I've bought the Anda/ Karajan set already + some great titles from the eloquence series ! Also got Bellini's Il Puritani with Sills and Gedda (Westminster) --- Gedda is my top choice of all time ! and just one comment on CD shops: Percival Records in Central is really good - proactive and friendly, they get things for you quick. Even better than HKR. |
wal 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.226 |
2005-06-09 11:33 |
| [#3780] Brendel+Rattle: Beethoven piano concertos Hello mes amis (to borrow Hercules Poirot's greeting), what do u think about the collaboration of Brendel and Rattle in Beethoven's piano concertos ? |
wal 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.226 |
2005-06-09 12:21 |
| [#3781] Brendel+Rattle: Beethoven piano concertos ________________________________________ Hi Wal, You must have read my mind! I passed by the public library this afternoon and borrow the DVD of Mr. Poirot. Actually I only finished watching the "Dead Man's Mirror" half an hour ago! What a coincidence! ________________________________________ Hi Trollope, Thanks for posting the nice pictures. ________________________________________  |
Tanuski 正式會員 69.xxx.xxx.10 |
2005-06-09 13:14 |
| [#3782] Brendel+Rattle: Beethoven piano concertos _____________________________________ Hi Trollope and all, I finally dug out the Glenn Gould's Goldberg Variations and listened to it a few time. Now I have a question. What good is Glenn Gould besides his playing clean, clear and detail oriented? What is the right way to appreciate his performance? Is there another version on the Goldberg Variations we can consider? Thanks. _____________________________________  |
Tanuski 正式會員 69.xxx.xxx.10 |
2005-06-11 20:32 |
| [#3783] Goldberg Variations Good morning Tanuski and ALL, I have listened to 13 versions of the Goldberg Variations: (1) Wanda Lanowska (1933) (2) Claudio Arrau (1942) (3) Rosalyn Tureck (1957) (4) Maria Yudina (1968) (5) Wilhelm Kempff (1969) (6) Trevor Pinnock (1980) (7) Glenn Gould (1981) (8) Andras Schiff (1982) (9) Rosalyn Tureck (1988) (10) Scott Ross (1988) (11) Tatiana Nikolayeva (1992) (12) Angela Hewitt (1999) (13) Murray Perahia (2000) But I do not own (6), (8), (12), and (13). I confess I have not listened to each of them in its entirety, but in every one of them I have listened to the Aira, Variation no.25 (the "Black Pearl"), and a number of other variations. Some of them I have stayed listening to from the first second to the last drop, Gould's is one of them. His strengths: (1) creating a world of his own: eccentric yet bewitching, certainly never dull; (2) weird yet charming rhythmic flow clinically produced, somehow impresses me as very intelligent, with an imagination that marvels; (3) at times very captivating, almost hypnotizing, eg. the Aria, the Black Pearl, and the return of the Aria. One has the feeling that, very briefly, profundity is reached. In the faster variations, a sense of fantasy can often be felt. His weaknesses: (1) Un-Bach-like, particularly in his brutal moments; (2) Oh please Mr Gould can you keep your mouth shut while playing? His vocalizations (he sings and hums from time to time) are, let us be frank, not musical; (3) Dry (not thin though) recorded sound. I also have the Sony DVD of this 1981 version. The narcissistic Gould enjoying himself is not exactly a gratifying sight to behold. All in all, Gould's has attained cult status with good reasons, but it is not an ideal entry-point for this piece of music. Start with either Hewitt or Perahia. Both of them are superbly recorded (Hyperion offers an SACD version for the Hewitt). Miss Hewitt is rightly acclaimed as the finest advocate of Bach's solo keyboard music in recent years. She has an abundance of expressive touches to offer here, and she observes all the repeats. Perahia's performance is stylish and he plays the most beautiful variation no. 25. He says in the CD booklet that this variation "seems to be a programmatic depiction of the Crucifixion or, at the very least, of the deathly atmosphere it evokes." He sure plays like that. Schiff's (1982) is a safe choice: refined and soothing. I would want to have the chance to listen to his later version on ECM New Series. Critics say he is less mellow and takes more risks, and he is more exemplarily recorded. Kempff's I find slightly too fast; and Arrau is not a natural Bach pianist, and it's a bad recording too. Among the harpsichord versions, Pinnock's is very attractive, but personally I find it exasperating to listen to the entire disc. It's the same with Ross', exquisite though it certainly is, I have to read or to do something while listening. To me they are discs to dip into only and won't cheer me up on a dull day if I have to spend an hour exclusively on each of them. It's my personal problem with the instrument, not the instrumentalists. My favourite is Tureck's 1988 recording (VIA Audio VAIA 1029, released 1993). It is in the superlative league: refreshing and spontaneous. Her effortless grace produces a happy union of Bach and the modern piano. |
trollope 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.224 |
2005-06-12 10:47 |
| [#3784] Goldberg Variations ___________________________ Hi Trollope, Just got out from bed. When I saw your good answers on the Goldberg Variations, simply cannot resist finish reading it. You answer for Glenn Gould is brilliant. Thanks. Now I have to check out the Tureck, the Hewitt and the Perahia. ___________________________ |
Tanuski 正式會員 69.xxx.xxx.10 |
2005-06-12 20:01 |
| [#3785] Goldberg Variations Dear ALL "What good is Glenn Gould besides his playing clean, clear and detail oriented? What is the right way to appreciate his performance?" I dont. know, but I guess you either love him, or you hate him. Personally, he's one of my favorite Bach pianists, and I'm sure he still has lots of supporters. There are around 4 full versions of the Goldbergs: 1954 (radio broadcast) 1955 studio , the one which catapulted his career 1959 Salzburg Live concert ( a LIVEconcert from Glenn Gould is pretty rare!) 1981 farwell "digital recording" ( the one Tanuski showed ) 1981 analog recording ( exactly the same recording, but instead of "state of the art ", "DDD' recording, the SOny engineers simply used an analog tape as a backup recording. The 1954 and 1955 are relatively similar, with only relatively minor difference in individual tracks. The 1954 being of worse recording quality. They are both marked by a spontaneity and freshness that was unique at the time. The 1981 was more melancholic and indeed more carefully thought out. The 1959 to me is really special, it has the spontaneity of a live concert, the risk taking is all there and with a mellowness not found elsewhere. In general, I am glad that Glenn has given us 4 versions before he left us, I love them all! "Is there another version on the Goldberg Variations we can consider?" Tureck: A few other versions of Rosalyn Tureck is also worh listening, there are at least 6 versions but some special ones incl the Petersberg 1995 ( very slow but still able to hold your attention) Tatiana Nikolayeva 1987 Barenboim on Erato Perahia on Sony Konstantin Lifschitz on Denon: a remarkable 17 year old who plays Bach with an unbelievable maturity , depth and an amazing technique to boot. An absolutely unbelievable album. A great pianist of the 21st century in the making. Of course, the recording quality is also 1st rate. The only Goldberg I positively dislike is Andras Shiff on Decca. Unbelievably boring, unimaginative, playing you hear in salons..... " In Bach everything is so complexa nd yet so simple in the end. This is one of the greatest miracles of Bach, coupled with the fact that the quality of emotion is so remarkably varied. " Tureck This is why I love Bach so much, All my dessert island discs are Bach. Ciao |
jonyung 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.60 |
2005-06-12 23:43 |
| [#3786] Horowitz CDs 邊隻應該買？我見horowitz 出過不少cd，怕自己買了些重覆 I have this  |
paulgil 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.252 |
2005-06-13 00:43 |
| [#3787] Horowitz CDs and  |
paulgil 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.252 |
2005-06-13 00:44 |
| [#3788] Horowitz CDs Thanks for the sharing of Glenn Gould. I really learn a lot from you guys. |
dx7770 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.214 |
2005-06-13 09:17 |
| [#3789] Sibelius CD This is one of the most satisfying CD I purchased recently - released by ONDINE: Sibelius Symph 3 and 5, Helsinki PO See link: http://www.ondine.fi/index.php?record=310&rc= This is my first CD I purchased from this Ondine label. (available in Shun Cheong) I like it so much better than the EMI/Halle Orch/Sir John version. Articulated, never over passionated. Recording is also stunning. Unlike the EMI (recorded by C Parker) which put you sort of like front rows of the concert for sonic excitement, Ondine version put things back into a proper concert hall perspective. Even in the loudest passage the orchestra doesnt' lose its composure. i 'll defeintely try out few other CDs from Ondine. Stay tuned. |
jules 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.130 |
2005-06-13 14:21 |
| [#3790] Sibelius CD My first Ondine CD was bought 13 years ago. By now I have just a few from this label, but they are invariably very fine in sound quality. Works by Sibelius seem to be their staple items. Look out for their CDs of chamber works and violin sonatas by this composer: rare and rewarding. |
trollope 正式會員 147.xxx.xxx.130 |
2005-06-13 16:16 |
| [#3791] Religious vocal works Hello, perhaps we could share some great experiences with the better-known religious vocal works ... for example: Bach: St Matthew / St John Passions, Mass in b Beethoven: Missa Solemis, Faure, Mozart, Verdi: Requiems Handel, Haydn: Masses Rossini: Stabat Mater ...etc. Cheers! |
Wal 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.226 |
2005-06-13 17:03 |
| [#3792] Schiff Hi jonyung and ALL, Nice to hear from you again. I have made a mental note of the name Konstantin Lifschitz (on Denon). About your positive dislike of András Schiff's Goldberg Variations I think I can understand. Schiff (b.1953) was no doubt unexciting and sometimes even insipid, many years ago. But his performances are seldom slipshod, and his devotion to music-making seems to be very much in earnest. And he impresses me as becoming more and more interesting in recent years. Have you listened to his Haydn sonatas? They are in a Teldec 2-CD box-set released in 1998 (0630-17141-2). I find them really rather nice: lively and at the same time classical (or 端正). About ten years before he made this recording, in London's Wigmore Hall he and his musical friends "gave a whole week of Haydn concertos, every day playing a sequence of sonatas, trios, songs and string quartets. It was probably the most delightful week of my life." That's why I said earlier that I wish I could have the chance to listen to his re-recording of the Goldberg Variations on ECM. Now, my own positive dislike of this Hungarian pianist has little to do with his music-making, rather it is about his arrogance. How often do you find a musician when writing linear notes for his own CD take other musicians to task? Schiff writes for the booklet accompanying the above-mentioned Haydn set an essay entitled "Haydn's Piano Sonatas: A Short History of their Reception and Interpretation". In it he has some harsh things to say about Richter and (sorry jonyung) Gould. This is rather ill-mannered and unnecessary. Does anyone of you here want me to copy his words out? |
trollope 正式會員 147.xxx.xxx.130 |
2005-06-13 17:23 |
| [#3793] Schiff My sentiments as well. I remember reading somewhere about Schiff's comments about Richter and I was furious, not because Richter is perfect, but to me at least, it is Herr Schiff's own ineptitude in seeing for the fact that he is after all a second rate musician at best. History will tell, on average, whose recordings would be remembered and cherished. Mr Schiff may be the European Champion of whatever sports you care to mention, but he is way out of league on the Olympians /premier league I'm afraid. If I were Mr Schiff, simply listening to what a 17 yr old ( he may be 27 by now!) Lifchitz can do to Bach, I would stop playing for good. I remember the days when I bought Andras Schiff Bach series in full price one by one, after reading the Penguin guide and wondering, what's so special? why do I finding it monotonous? It is until I bought my first Bach recital by Richter that I then realised what piano playing is all about! However, I did find a good use for my Schiff CDs, they work really well during my student days, it helps you to concentrate on your studies and it also makes good background music when inviting friends for dinner...I'm serious : D PS: This is the first time I have criticised an artist publicly, and I rarely do that, for the very reasons forwarded by Trollope |
jonyung 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.172 |
2005-06-13 23:15 |
| [#3794] religious vocal works Bach: St Matthew - to my mind, the greatest music of western civilisation: too many versions to mention: try perhaps: Harnoncourt on Teldec Richter on Archiv Furtwangler on EMI Beethoven: Missa Solemnis- try Klemperer EMI Mozart Requiem: try Harnoncourt or Bohm Verdi Requiem: try Giulini or Muti on EMI Rossini: Stabat Mater- Giulini on DGG ciao! |
jonyung 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.172 |
2005-06-13 23:22 |
| [#3795] religious vocal works Any comments on Richter's Bach Well Tempered Clavier on RCA? |
classicalkan 正式會員 222.xxx.xxx.79 |
2005-06-14 19:46 |
| [#3796] religious vocal works Hey jonyung, thanks for sharing. Agreed. For St John and St Matthew, the Richter sets on Archiv are superb; and Klemperer's Matthew is just a classic for me. As to Britten's St John, I don't like it very much because it's in English and too plain. Missa Solemnis: KLEMPERER for sure, and Bohm Mozart Requiem: my best choices are: 1. Bohm on DG - slow but elegant, 2. Richter on Teldec - typical baroque (unlike and better than Harnoncourt), 2. Fricsay on DG - personal signature, 3. Britten on BBC - dramatic and fast, 4. Walter on Orfeo - profoundly moving. ... may want to get Celibidache on EMI later. Verdi Requiem: 1.-2. Giulini on EMI & Sabata on EMI are landmark versions 3. Celibidache on EMI - lyrical and transparent 4. Fricsay on Originals DG - reminiscent of baroque religious music 5. Solti on Decca: just dramatic ... ... would like to try Abbado on DG when it is reissued on cheaper series : P Rossini Stabat Mater: only got Fricsay and Kertesz - both very lyrical and the soloists are supberb. Do you bros have some great albums to share? Cheers! |
Symph 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.226 |
2005-06-15 10:02 |
