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| [#3930] church/ religious music wal, I got that famous recording of Beethoven Missa Solemnis by Klemperer already. I also brought Haydn's `Creation' and Mozart Requiem by Karajan yesterday, together with my box of Gardiner's St John passion, St Matthew's passion and Christmas ortario, I will be quite busy. What other grest church music would you recommend? Will these mass perform in Church? How can I hear these great music live? |
chankaiming 正式會員220.xxx.xxx.69 |
2008-04-02 09:40 | |
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| [#3931] Annie Fischer 早晨... 端莊高貴、情理並存。  |
邊個邊個 正式會員 158.xxx.xxx.114 |
2008-04-02 09:54 |
| [#3932] Annie Fischer Oh, Mozart by Annie Fisher! Did that LP reissued on CD? |
chankaiming 正式會員 220.xxx.xxx.69 |
2008-04-02 10:01 |
| [#3933] church/ religious music CKM, For Bach's great church music, i got Karl Richter's boxset though. I don't think any complete pieces would be heard in hong kong because as you know they run over 2 hrs and the culture is different here (although I am not at all a religious person). so the passions are out of the question, perhaps we'd come across the famous masses some day... I attended concerts of Messiah, Mozart and Verdi Requiems many many years ago when i was a student. There are videos of Richter (a whole series) and Harnoncourt playing this kind of music on DVD, you may have a look. http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/1431982  |
wal 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.5 |
2008-04-02 10:13 |
| [#3934] church/ religious music Wal, Thank you |
chankaiming 正式會員 220.xxx.xxx.69 |
2008-04-02 11:22 |
| [#3935] Fischer's Mzt Piano Concertos on EMI CKM 兄: This is one of the Annie Fischer's Mozart Piano Concertos CDs that I have: Mozart: Piano Concertos Nos. 20*, 21, 22, & 23* Annie Fischer / Philharmonia Orchestra / Wolfgang Sawallisch / Sir Adrian Boult* [1959-1960] EMI (Seraphim) 7243 3 68529 2 1: ADD 1995 (2 CDs) This Seraphim double CD is no longer in circulation, but the two pieces therein with Sawallisch conducting are now available on an EMI CD in the "Great Recordings of the Century" series. The remaining two (Nos. 20 & 23) with Boult conducting have been re-issued on a Toshiba-EMI CD: http://mora.jp/package/80312032/0094635997958/ The Romance in No. 20 is also found in EMI's "Mozart Discovery" double CD (0946 3303782 3, CD1: track 15) and EMI's "Best Relaxing Classics 100" 6-CD set (0946 3 89032 2 2, CD2: track 6).  |
trollope 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.133 |
2008-04-02 11:49 |
| [#3936] Fischer's Mzt Piano Concertos on EMI Thanks trollope, It will take me some time to gather them all. Chan Kai Ming |
chankaiming 正式會員 220.xxx.xxx.69 |
2008-04-02 12:19 |
| [#3937] Mozart: Coronation Mass Talking about Mozart's church music, what about the Coronation Mass? It is fresh and jolly. My favorite version is this period performance with Barbara Bonney et al led by Pinnock.  |
Brother Kei 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.5 |
2008-04-02 12:50 |
| [#3938] Mozart: Coronation Mass Oh, I should also mention that Bonney also sang "Exsultate, Jubilate" in the CD. |
Brother Kei 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.5 |
2008-04-02 12:51 |
| [#3939] church/ religious music ' Will these mass perform in Church? How can I hear these great music live? ' CKM, There will be a performance of Brahm's German Requiem by the local choir and orchestra. Several years ago heard Bach's St.John's Passion performed by Philip Helwege(can't remember the correct spelling) during HK Arts festival, unimpressed. |
kh33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.243 |
2008-04-02 12:59 |
| [#3940] church/ religious music Thank Brother kei and KH, I remember I have a CD of Mozart's Coronation mass on my shelf, will check out tonight. |
chankaiming 正式會員 220.xxx.xxx.69 |
2008-04-02 13:43 |
| [#3941] church/ religious music Hi CKM and KH, In fact there is a performance of Missa Solemnis tomorrow! Note that it's an amateur performance by students of the CUHK Music Department (with the help of a few local choirs and amateur musicians I presume). Do not expect professional standard from them. Nevertheless, a chance to hear the work LIVE.  |
Brother Kei 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.5 |
2008-04-02 13:53 |
| [#3942] Letter from NYC I Fellow inmates of classical music: After some effort, I have finally overcome my jetlag as well as a host of other ennui, some no doubt associated with, if not result of, long-distance traveling in mind and body. While it is theoretically challenging, even trendy, to conjure “one-world” in the mind, it is another story when the same old body has to fit in. Given the current lost of focus on music in R33, I think I shall post my "letters" here, as they hopefully still have something to do with music and why we listen to hifi in the first place. A different time frame, while stressful, has its merits, at least when one is willing to turn adversity into something useful. Waking up at the wee hours, one can savor a cup of strong tea, catch up on six months of TAS and Stereophile (subscription for nominal fee in the US) and listen to a lot of music. I purchased quite a bit of LPs and CDs, and took some pictures of them. Unfortunately, I forgot my digicam link cable and/or card-reader, so I cannot upload them at this moment. There is a lot I’d like to write about, but it shall have to be in black and white only for the moment… |
doctorjohn 正式會員 12.xxx.xxx.253 |
2008-04-03 03:57 |
| [#3943] Saint Saens #2/Rubinstein Without having read R33, I actually listened to this just yesterday. A dirt-cheap RCA Red Seal LP that has awful artwork of kaleidoscopic colors that isso redolent of the 60's and 70's. After a few bars I already realized this is not my favorite Rubinstein record and I looked at the LP carefully. No wonder, it has the Philadelphia/Ormnandy as partners. So that's the firat time I have heard this particular Rubinstein remake. The feeling I had was exactly like what I experienced previously in each of Rubinstein's remakes of Beethoven, Chopin, Falla, etc. Rubinstein is no Horzowski. The earlier the better. In general avoid the later Rubinstein/Ormandy's. Get his earlier versions partnered by Boston, "Symphony of the Air" etc, conducted by the likes of Eric Leinsdorf and the under-rated Wallenstein (also featured in Heifetz recordings). Research for the uninitiated is complicated by the fact that there are even errors in listings on vendors' websites. The pictured version is the preferred version, with original cover. I am not surte you can still get it in regular Living Stereo CD or not. You can get it on LP! This is not the best sounding Living Stereo but it is one of the best musically.  |
doctorjohn 正式會員 12.xxx.xxx.253 |
2008-04-03 04:15 |
| [#3944] Missa Solemnis/Wand My listening in NYC (as often in HK) is dictated by what I have recently acquired. It is coincidence indeed that I picked up a pristine NONESUCH 2-LP set (garish artwork too) of Wand's Missa Solemnis, with the Guzenrich Orchestra of Cologne, recorded for Club Francais du Disc. This is the same performance as on the very expensive Testament set. A word on NONESUCH LPs. They were the greatest values, sold at superbargain prices. Vinyl quality usually good, but the garish artwork frequently obscured the artists. Nonesuch issued a lot of European stuff, from Erato and Club Francais du Disques etc, Wand's Mozart Symphonies and Boulez' Stravinsky among them. Other names to watch out for: --Karl Ristenpart/Chamber Orchestra of the Saar. Lots of excellent barogue music. Top-flight Schubert symphonies, Bach cantatas, Brandenburg concerti, Suites etc that can hold their own against anyone. --Horenstein Mahler 1, 3, 6 (liscensed from Unicorn). --Many superior barogue organ LPs that beat what I hear these days. This is just tip of the iceberg. As for the Missa, I find it crisp and dramatic, and rank it along Philips/Concertgebouw/Jochum (most mesmerizing violin solo by Herman Krebbers) and Klemperer. A good note by an Amazon customer: "...As a young man and college student, this was my favorite recording of Beethoven's "Missa Solemnis" when it was available in USA on two low-priced Nonesuch LPs. I played that record over and over until I learned everything there was to know about this music other than the famous "mental illness" sequence near the end. What characterized this recording in its original 1960s packaging was its low price, fine recording and the clarity with which Wand and the French producers projected everything (this was originally part of a French club offering before Nonesuch made it available here.) Clarity of voicing and elocution was not a particularly big deal in the 1960s, some time before the now popular period performance rage took over with its fast speeds, old instruments and clarity of voicing. When I bought this again on the full priced Testament recording, I noticed something about the music I never realized in the 1960s: it is a mightily devotional performance where the exceptionally well-drilled forces project the music with spiritual fervor. Perhaps because I was new to the music 40 years ago and do not particularly enjoy the spiritual approach today, this did not impress me. However, the music was just as good in 2005 as it was in 1965 and today Peter Schreier is a known quantity. He was an unknown, along with the rest of the cast, when this came out in the 1960s. I don't think this recording is as competitive economically today as it was then. You can find many fine recordings of this music on a single disk that cost less than the hefty price Testament is asking for this two disk set, and the mono Beethoven "Eroica" that fills out the second disk won't help you forget all your favorites in this music. Still, this is a worthy contender in the Missa Solemnis sweepstakes and offers fans of Gunther Wand -- who was probably the last in a long time of traditional German conductors that included Furtwangler, Klemperer and Karajan -- to understand how good a conductor he was back when hardly anyone knew about him. In many ways, I find his music from this early mature period of Wand's more satisfying than his later recordings, especially his last Bruckner recordings, none of which seem to me to completely caputre the aura of this titanic music as well as Wand's earlier recordings. This disk represents the conductor at his most acute, performing music he knew and understood well. If you like the Missa Solemnis and want a nicely-recorded historic version performed in mainstream style, you cannot do better than this..."  |
doctorjohn 正式會員 12.xxx.xxx.253 |
2008-04-03 04:33 |
| [#3945] Chinese Avant Garde March 29th, 2008 Min/Xu/Wu with Carl Stone Flushing Library Quite a fascinating, free and unexpectedly gratifying, concert, staged in the midst of what is now the cultural desert of Flushing. The concert was presented by BLUE PIPA, founded by pipa player (also vocal and electronics on this occasion) Min Xiao-Fen: www.bluepipa.org The other two Chinese artists are both based in Germany. Wu Wei (sheng, erhu, xun etc) and Xu Fengxia (zheng and vocal) both have impressive bios: www.wuweimusic.com www.xufengxia-music.de The trio played “Magic Mask” and “Mo”, by Wu and Min, respectively. Percussive techniques were not spared on their delicate classical instruments, which they pounded sometimes in violence and jarringly juxtaposed to moments of tenderness and reflection. These were mostly improvised pieces conceptually not far removed from jazz, but necessarily with little harmonic progression and lacking in underpinning bass weight, even with amplification. Both ladies improvised vocals in a rather new-age manner. Whatever label you care to put on them, it was a good try and rather exciting in the small hall. The centerpiece was “SAARIS” by Carl Stone (apparently rather famous), who appeared on stage as a computer player. http://www.sukothai.com/v.2/index3.html Using the feeds he got from the musicians, fragments were grossly distorted and subjected to computer “treatments”. As can be expected, randomness was a main feature. Moments reminded me of Laurie Anderson, Terry Riley and, most surprisingly, Gregorian chant. Sometimes the effect had a strange beauty indeed. The players were enthusiastically greeted. They deserve it. I wish the Chinese Orchestra in HK would commission pieces like these and try things like this out.  |
doctorjohn 正式會員 12.xxx.xxx.253 |
2008-04-03 05:15 |
| [#3946] church/ religious music CKM, Another chance to hear religious music live: Haydn the Creation performed by the HK Oratorio Society on Sun. at HK Cultural Center. |
kh33 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.40 |
2008-04-03 11:58 |
| [#3947] Juillard Orchestra March 31st, 2008 Busoni/Bartok/Mahler Juilliard Orchestra/Olaffson/Roberto Abbado Avery Fisher Hall What a marvelous and intelligently put together programme by a student orchestra in name only, a powerful soloist and an impetuous conductor! The last was Claudio’s nephew Roberto, accomplished in his own right. I sat in Second Tier, close to the stage, and it reminded me of the CCCH experience. You want direct sound in this mediocre-sounding hall too. The music making was another matter. Busoni’s Berceuse Elegiaque was beautifully played by a chamber orchestra, true to its name in feeling. It was written after his mother’s death, and admired by none less than Schonberg. I wonder why it is not more often heard. The excellent programme note mentions that it was premiered by NYPO, in the last ever concert anywhere conducted by the already ill Mahler (from bacterial endocarditis in the pre-antibiotic era), who went home to Vienna and die. Hence, it was a requiem of sort for the conductor himself, who persevered on the podium despite an intense headache. Death haunts Bartok’s Piano Concerto #3 too. The masterpiece was lovingly composed for his pianist wife, but death precluded the completion of the last 17 bars (finished by pupil and friend Tibor Serly). Understandably, his wife never played it, instead the premiere was entrusted to Gyorgy Sandor (who recorded it for Columbia and Vox). It is not often programmed and I was thrilled by the performance, my first hearing in concert. The soloist, Icelandic Vikingur Olaffson, had a bold sound, yet maintained a beautiful tone even when pounding. The conductor and orchestra brought out the myriad colors, the folksy rhythms as well as mystery in the slow movement. Even that rousing performance did not prepare one for the fastidiously played and atmospheric Mahler First. Aside from occasional moments of uncertainty, particularly in the first movement, Abbado took us on a colorful journey and patiently revealed all the fabrics of this masterpiece. The first movement was notable for engaging “sounds of nature” as it built up. The scherzo was forcefully characterized, touched by just a hint of schmaltz. The slow movement had just the right mixture of sweetness and fordoding. The finale was inexorable, the climaxes powerful and immaculate at both the opening and the close. Overall, the symphony had a darker feeling than usual and felt closer to the tragic symphonies. Abbado’s conducting, while detailed, was informed by purpose and underpinned by a rich and never facile emotional stance. While the strings were beautiful, the conductor emphasized woodwinds and here the Juilliard choir played with nearly immaculate blend (except early on in the first movement). Most stunning were the sumptious horns, whose uniformity and virtuosity yielded nothing to the world’s majors, certainly outshining their brass brethens (though the first trumpet played with great feeling). Most importantly, everyone played with character and commitment. World class? I hesitate to say that, as the term had been severely tarnished by those advertising EdW and the HKPO. Again, a Mahler performance is nothing if it doesn’t speak to you. The performance spoke to me in a way that none of the HKPO/EdW Mahler performances ever managed to do, and to be fair, more than last year’s NYPO/Maazel 7th did. |
doctorjohn 正式會員 207.xxx.xxx.253 |
2008-04-06 04:45 |
| [#3948] Juillard Orchestra Doctor john, Julliard Orchestra is make of of those rising star from Julliard School of music? And how do you compare Roberto Abbado to his Uncle, Claudio Abbado the great master in Mahler. Chan Kai Ming |
chankaiming 正式會員 220.xxx.xxx.69 |
2008-04-06 10:53 |
| [#3949] Karajan's Berlin sound Last night listened to a newly brought Karajan disc on Baroque music, in the past I will ignore this disc as Karajan's Berlin sound are so thick so greasy for Baroque music. But after listening to a short session in kh's system as recommended by chowhwk in our previous meeting, I found his playing quite interesting. I have to forget those `historial informed' chamber size orchestra, the thick wall of string sound remind me of Wagner instead of Baroque composer, but enjoyable anyway. Quote chowhwk's article again: 第三張- 卡拉揚 的 Albononi - Adiago 好，現在談第三張。 也是一張比較老舊的CD. DGG Galleria 的系列， 最早期的digital remastering. 很多人認為DGG CD不容易唱得好,比較尖和幹，其實上這時期翻的多是真空管的好錄音，Guneter Hermanns 這錄音工程師，也是好手，絕對不樣Decca的 Kenneth Wilinson 獨佔榜首,各有千秋.從發燒出發點 DGG+Karajan+BPO+Hermanns 是絕對的黃金組合。 Adiago 慢版的感人肺腑的樂章，在加入了管風琴，更具氣氛。Karajan 起碼錄了兩次。這張是1971年，應該是模擬錄音。另外一張，是數碼錄音，也是同一個黃金組合。第二個錄音，還用了在 Adiago 的 Compilation. 這錄音比較慢， 十分鐘的樂章比第一次多了一分鐘多。 同cd堶惘陷X首很悅耳的Baroque音樂。這片子，是殺雞用牛刀，大型樂隊玩小品，全是karajan的表演，當然也有bpo的精確，把古典的優美加上大樂隊的氣派，把古意盈盈的樂章，變成弦樂的showpeice. 如果你要聽卡拉揚以君王之氣派來駕馭樂隊，而不想聽太長的古典，這兩首一定合你的口味。 是聽我建議用第一track Albinoni - Adiago 和 Track 13 Pachelel - Cannon. 更前面一樣，我建議從五個領域來測試。 1。 弦樂之音 - 有沒有感到BPO弦樂的特色，德國的美，精確，一絲不懈，服從指揮，如果你覺得尖了點，特別是到高位的時間，有可能要檢討一下了。坦白的，我也聽過百萬大軍過不了這關。 2。 大樂隊的層次 - 在Adiago 絃樂隊的表演精彩，一層層，一片片的浮出來，你有沒有聽到。同時絃樂隊穿出兩邊喇叭，整個半弧形的。 3. 管風琴 - 這古典小品有管風琴，開始的時候低低的音量不高。跟低音大提琴在低頻潛出來，深深沉沉的。但應該清楚聽到，而分辯出來。到後來強音完全發揮管風琴的威力。這堿O低音分析力的考驗。如果喇叭小，更不易搞， 4。小提琴，樂隊，管風琴的比例 - 中間有小提琴獨奏，然後也有樂隊，管風琴的合奏。小提琴是否太大，是不是不見了。管風琴和樂隊的比例合理嗎？ 5。氣質和氣勢 - 大樂隊萬小品的氣勢，會不會變了小型的巴羅克樂隊。卡拉揚的君王氣質，能否表現出來。 Cannon的弦樂，群奏的感覺是一群小提琴，不是一堆。Scale 一直往上調的，第一，第二小提琴，中提琴，大提琴，每一部都按著scale力拉，但在低音大提琴組的一下一下陪趁，是多和諧優美。像一張畫一樣。這種氣質，氣派，調好的音響，應能表達。 好不容易,談完第一組了. 這禮拜又要出差了. 路上會繼續整理資料. 大家請多給意見.  |
chankaiming 正式會員 220.xxx.xxx.69 |
2008-04-06 11:05 |
