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[#4386] Accuphase Fans 好似有D明白...ANYWAY, THANKS MIDITECH兄.		racewong 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.2	2008-10-21 14:36

[#4387] Accuphase Fans
miditech兄：

你是否認為無論配合甚麼喇叭，p-7000必定勝過p-650呢？

linda.0416

正式會員
118.xxx.xxx.178

2008-10-21 15:50

[#4388] Accuphase Fans
linda hing,

自己對著P-650 (02-04年), 而P-7000就 (05至今),
對於兩者的特性偏向都可掌握到無十足都有九成.
若是問誰勝誰的話呢? 90%P-7000勝 10%主觀因素
P-650嬴. 當然沒有甚麼是絕對的, 例如有人喜歡
大瓦數攻率Class A/B, 又有人選擇細瓦數Class A.
各式各樣都有其道理因由.
我就偏愛Class A/B 的全面大動態表現, 有速度感.
至於人聲就是 Class A 的天下啦!
十多年前我本來想買 P-360 (ClassA/B 200W),
因為價錢太貴(大約25K), 最後只好買P-102
Pure Class A 的Late Version (19K).

miditech

正式會員
58.xxx.xxx.125

2008-10-21 18:21

[#4389] Accuphase Fans
racewong hing,

簡單講 0dB or above means stepping to distortion.
若是在 0dB or above 都可以控制得好就Well done啦!
P-7000 就是有這個能耐了.

miditech

正式會員
58.xxx.xxx.125

2008-10-21 18:31

[#4390] Accuphase Fans
冇錯，我就非常喜愛class A既人聲！！

sunboy

正式會員
203.xxx.xxx.64

2008-10-21 18:52

[#4391] Accuphase Fans
冇錯，我就非常喜愛class A既人聲！！
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Class A/B 的人聲, 我有10多年經驗.
可否講講Class A 的人聲是怎樣的?

yip683

正式會員
218.xxx.xxx.217

2008-10-21 20:17

[#4392] Accuphase Fans
sunboy兄：

你甘鍾意class A既人聲，不如由你先講下class A既人聲形態！

linda.0416

正式會員
118.xxx.xxx.178

2008-10-21 21:24

[#4393] Accuphase Fans
大昌行可能換老細.,唔知對金仔d售行服務會係好事家壞事?

因炒鬘~匯而承受巨額虧損的中信泰富或被迫出售旗下持股「填9」，中信泰富晚上在港交所發出通告，確認集團正就出售大昌行的全部或部分權益，作初步商討，以大昌行今日市值為15.64億元計算，即使中信泰富能以市價將所持的全數56.67%大昌行出售，亦只能套現8.86億元，對紓解集團當前困境亦可能只是杯水車薪。

大昌行是於去年由中信泰富分拆在港交所上市，受中信泰富股價拖累，大昌行股價今日亦暴跌20.18%至0.87元。中信及大昌行是於晚上在港交所發出通告，證實初步商討出售大昌行全部或部分權益。

davidwong

正式會員
218.xxx.xxx.15

2008-10-22 08:14

[#4394] Accuphase Fans
davidwong兄

請不要再次在這裡匯報股價暴跌的新聞,妤心痛呀^:^

吹HIFI妤過講經濟,HE.,HE..HE.

csc6636

正式會員
203.xxx.xxx.131

2008-10-22 09:17

[#4395] Accuphase Fans
Class A既人聲 & 樂器既密度, 厚潤, 係AB無法比美.

CLASS AB 既動態 & 速度感, 亦都係CLASS A無可比美.

racewong

正式會員
210.xxx.xxx.2

2008-10-22 09:45

[#4396] Accuphase Fans
我都插下咀 about Class A/AB sound.

I find that often it is not purely whether something that is Class A or Class AB that characterize the sound. However, in the case of Accuphase, who makes both Class A and AB designs at equivalent classes, there can be some observations. I don't think I can say that one is better than the other, but I personally prefer Class A sound. If you listen for hifi qualities like high-mid-low, soundstage, dynamics, etc., I don't think a Class AB amp like a 7100 will lose out to A60 in any of these departments. Some people may also prefer the clearer and more detailed vocals of Class AB compared to the no-less-detailed but warmer sounding Class A vocals. However, after many years of looking for "better" sound, I came to appreciate one thing that class A offers - coherence. Everything seems to fit together better and less things "stick out". I don't get a particularly sparkling high or super earthshaking low, but the sound just sounds together and real. It is often fun (even for me) to hear aural fireworks (like those big Wilsons with high power amps and ultra resolving sources played loud), but more often, when we get those fireworks at home (particularly with our more modest systems), somehow the music may be lost, and the system may be so picky that one can only listen to "hifi " discs with little musical merits. OTOH, I am not a fan of super warm sound (like old-time tube sound) that covers up everything either. Ultimately, everyone has his/her own preference for the right "balance", and different designs will cater to different people.

BTW, Class A is not the only thing that can sound coherent either. I have found that simplified designs like 47labs or artisan designs like Dartzeel can sound really "right" for me, too. Of course, other Class A stuff like Sugden and Luxman are quite nice, too.

accudude

正式會員
203.xxx.xxx.158

2008-10-22 10:17

[#4397] Accuphase Fans
我之前都聽過sugden既細火數CLASS A合併, 人聲暖和, 厚潤....聽小品一流呢...^^

racewong

正式會員
210.xxx.xxx.2

2008-10-22 10:22

[#4398] Accuphase Fans
Linda0416,

係我心目中, class A人聲係好暖和, 厚潤, 好似紅酒咁"純", 一啖啖直得慢慢細味!!

而class AB就比較爽快, 有活力, 有動感, 大起大落, 好似一杯凍飲, 大啖大啖咁飲, 非常暢快!!

sunboy

正式會員
219.xxx.xxx.158

2008-10-22 10:43

[#4399] Accuphase Fans
呀茂以前聽美國class A 機為主，以呀茂用過的Class A 機如：Mark Levinson ML20.5, Krell KSA80B & KSA50 的感覺與sunboy 大大有的唔同！呀茂覺得無論在人聲及動態Class A 都比ClassAB 都優勢！可能是美國機的設計取向同日本機不同吧！

路人茂

正式會員
210.xxx.xxx.204

2008-10-22 11:31

[#4400] Accuphase Fans
更換代理是遲早的事, 好樣其他高質素兼有進取心的
新代理去替代, 都係件好事.相信到時售價會較為合理些. 咁大家都可以入到平貨, 希望C-2810價格都可以
回落到合理水平吧!