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[#1041] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? Oh, UD-10 is an USB audio converter or called USB DAC. There is one and only one version up to now. But, you know the UD-10 like other called USB DAC using PCM2704/5/6/7 that can input digital signal from USB only. No optical & coaxial digital input. Did your friend buy UD-10 directly from me? If yes, just ask your friend to contact me for a refund, if he/she is really misunderstood the function of UD-10. |
Trends![]() 61.xxx.xxx.247 |
2006-11-10 23:18 | |
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[#1042] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? Trend hing, UD10 如此制作認真的 USB sound device 如被市場淹沒了我覺得是香港人的損失. 對 UD10 有少少善意建議, 可助你參考 1. Documentation 不足 - Sound card 不同 amp, documentation 一定要足. Installation, applicatoin, driver support (ASIO4ALL, KS) warranty 等, battery life, why battery, DAC usage 等等, 須在 web site 向 user 交待清楚. 儘可能做到 user friendly. Squeeze box 在 user friendliness 方面確佔優勢, 所以即使(我覺得)衰聲亦可賣得好好. 可參考 RME, Creative, 甚至 slim device 等等 web site 的 product description & specification. 2. Production Description, End-user level specification 不足. 此 device 強項在 digital output, 又以 AES 最好; DAC 用法須在 product description 交待清楚 3. 建議寫下 forum, 解釋下市場定位, reference system setup, mod, tips & tricks, "proprietry circuit" 的作用, 同其他 sound card 的 comparison 等等. 4. 建議做埋 audiophile grade 5V linear power supply. 應不太難, 又可做福所有 external USB devices 包括 Squeeze Box, EMU 0404 等都可用到. |
appleteapot![]() 58.xxx.xxx.12 |
2006-11-11 00:55 |
[#1043] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? appleteapot兄, 多謝你的支持及意見. 你的1, 2, 3點我完全接受, 只是我暫時還沒有時間寫那麼多東西. 之前的TA-10 T-amp我都要出街後一段時間才慢慢寫齊D野. 我明白USB device在安裝及應用上會比較複雜, 因我近排答Email就知道好多人都未搞清楚點玩. 我會努力的. 至於第4點, 真的有不少人問過這問題, 但既然有電池可用, 而且比用牛應該更好, 還有需要嗎? 我個人的想法是要方便就用USB供電, 要靚聲就電池, 我都做了, 還要火牛穩壓供電嗎? 這個不難做, 但外面找不到來買嗎? 如果真是這樣的話, 我就做個PSU供電給一次過給我的幾款產品用好了. |
Trends![]() 61.xxx.xxx.247 |
2006-11-11 01:48 |
[#1044] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? I suggest to have a lab test to show the jitter level. |
hifiguy![]() 218.xxx.xxx.151 |
2006-11-11 11:06 |
[#1045] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? hifiguy hing, do you have any reference about such lab test or those lab's contacts (especially in HK)? Is it very expensive? |
Trends![]() 61.xxx.xxx.247 |
2006-11-11 12:08 |
[#1046] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? For the jitter measurement, there are many articles can be obtained from the web. e.g. in stereophile like http://www.stereophile.com/searchresults/?terms=jitter&pg=1&cs=&stype=X . For I am not a electronic man, I don't know where the test can be gotten in HK. But I beleive that the jitter specification of your UD-10 in terms of how many ps can help you to promote the product. |
hifiguy![]() 218.xxx.xxx.151 |
2006-11-12 06:46 |
[#1047] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? appleteapot兄 |你這蝠﹛A應該UD10的aes/ebu不錯。而我目前正需要得就是aes/ebu輸出到msb dac。 因2我從來沒接觸過usb的soundcard。請問,它是有自己的driver嗎?bit perfect嗎? KS, ASIO,還是MME都有?沒有resample to 48khz?可以用44.1khz for CD,也可以用48khz for DVD? 謝謝。 Trends兄, 如果可以,也請你多提供資料。 謝謝。 |
4344m![]() 219.xxx.xxx.220 |
2006-11-12 12:32 |
[#1048] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? 4344m hing, UD10 2704 USB 是 plug and play 的, 無須再加 driver. 我只試到 ASIO4ALL 同 DS 係 work, KS 只 有等 Trend hing 教點 config. 44-48 用 Secret Rabbit Code 可見前文. DVD 出 5.1 但 UD10 只是 2 channel. |
appleteapot![]() 219.xxx.xxx.57 |
2006-11-12 22:21 |
[#1049] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? appleteapot 你唔聲唔聲,靜靜試了好多好野,都洗了唔少錢。 |
DeepSea![]() 61.xxx.xxx.41 |
2006-11-12 23:54 |
[#1050] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? 加加埋埋一定貴過9632羅,真係冤枉.就到年尾不如寫下 "今年我最喜愛的 Device" 同 "我最討厭的 Device" |
appleteapot![]() 219.xxx.xxx.57 |
2006-11-13 00:01 |
[#1051] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? Hi everyone, I'm new on this thread. I'm trying to build a HTPC for both 2Ch and 7.1 home theatre use. After reading the discussion here, it seems that Arthur's 9632/DA16x/BB setup is probably one of the best computer-based digital source available in the world today. I'm just wondering how does the following setups compare with 9632/DA16x/BB 1. HTPC --> RME Firewire 800 2. HTPC --> Apogee Rosetta 800 3. HTPC --> DA16x (with firewire input) Does skipping the 9632 bit make a big difference in terms of sonic quality? I noticed that DeepSea, et al has been organising audition sessions of these different setups, can you tell me more about your experience pls? Thanks a lot for your help! |
kenfan![]() 210.xxx.xxx.246 |
2006-11-13 00:19 |
[#1052] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? kenfan, appleteapot 兄才是最有資格去評論指教,因為他已經花了年半時間去實習測試比較。 如果小弟寫經驗,只會比人禧ard Sell、打手、要驗耳...... |
DeepSea![]() 61.xxx.xxx.41 |
2006-11-13 00:28 |
[#1053] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? DeepSea, I think you're being too humble. I understand that perhaps R33 isn't the ideal niche for discussion on this topic. Would you mind emailing me so that we can talk further? Thanks a lot! |
kenfan![]() 210.xxx.xxx.246 |
2006-11-13 03:52 |
[#1054] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? 唔好意思, UD-10我都係裝到ASIO4all同DS, KS都係唔得, 之前以為得原來搞錯左只係我張Sound card得咋. |
Trends![]() 219.xxx.xxx.252 |
2006-11-13 10:05 |
[#1055] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? Trend hing 不如你解釋下 UD-10 點用,好多人唔明 UD-10 係做勿的...我都唔知個 headphone out 係唔係 "認真的" analog out. 其實果個 headphone output 係唔係 intended for analog out, 定係 for headphone out. 另外加 external power supply 對 analogue 有沒幫助. |
appleteapot![]() 58.xxx.xxx.67 |
2006-11-13 23:29 |
[#1056] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? The headphone out should be a serious analog out from the PCM2704 built-in DAC. Though the built-in DAC's spec. is not as good as some professional external DAC, but with the accurate clock and dual power regulation applied, the analog out should reach a certain level of sound quality. Absolutely worth its price. The headphone out circuit is designed for headphone. But, it can also apply as analog line out (with the bundled adpator) to amp. Since analog out from the PCM2704 IC is also design for headphone (0.5Vpp instead of ~3Vpp), without pre-amplify the signal, it would be lower sound level than normal CD players analog out. Just like you connect the headphone out from your sound card, you have to turn your amp louder for the same sound level. The power supply & clock should the essentials of all hifi gears. The better power supply (e.g. battery) and accurate clock not only improve the quality of the digital signals, it also greatly improve the DAC portion of UD-10. That's why most professional DACs pay much efforts in power & clock. |
Trends![]() 59.xxx.xxx.50 |
2006-11-14 00:02 |
[#1057] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? Deep sea 兄實在太謙虛, 經過你及其他幾位高手介紹, by now 我們對 HTPC 可以有幾靚聲都知個大概, 呢度好多識 IT 的 HiFi 友撐你, 希望你過多兩招 Studio Grade 既 PC Setup. 畢竟依家有 Studio 都係用 PC 做 Mixer 啦. 我自己就比人取笑中學習,睇番以前 D post 我都比人叫我去學下 Network 考 CCNA, Esoteric 係林保堅尼等等... |
appleteapot![]() 58.xxx.xxx.67 |
2006-11-14 00:06 |
[#1058] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? 找到另一篇 RME 9632 user Review, 和我之前聽 9632 的感覺很相似: http://bbs.erji.net/read.php?tid=296829&fpage=2 |
appleteapot![]() 58.xxx.xxx.67 |
2006-11-14 00:33 |
[#1059] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? appleteapot 兄 : 見你一路都想玩好 digital out, 個人意見: 1: 想平既可以玩 ESI Juli@, digital out section 同 lynx 同一個老豆生, 質數無需擔心, lynx 亦曾經被 Stereophile 用專業儀器 test 過, 亦與天價 Hi-Fi 器材比較過, 編輯給予極高評價. 2: 唔 mind 價錢只求質數就一野上 RME 直 clock, 唔好再哂無謂錢試其他野. 3: 夠膽可以試 0404 USB, EMU website 黑底白字寫明 jitter 只有 500ps(大部份天價 CD-Player 都過千), 咁大間公司夠膽黑底白字寫出黎如果吹水作細一定比人告到仆街. 4: 如果想加深了解 PCM270x, 可直接到 diyaudio.com 睇下一班真正 DIY 高手既文章, 哩粒野呇a N 年前已經玩, 講哩粒野既文章冇 100 都有 90 篇, 唔同既 kit 亦出過無數套, 乜野線路配乜野 DAC 撘乜野 clock 加乜野穩壓都一早有人玩過(當然就未必有 Trends 牌既專利雙穩壓加神秘 clock 咁強勁啦), 眾高手對 PCM270x 既評價我就無謂係哩度多講喇, 不如等 appleteapot 兄你自己睇完所有文章找尋答案吧. 個人意見, 科技一日千里由其對數碼產品, DAC 哩樣野始終越新越著數, 先唔講音色因哩樣野太主觀所以就算十年前產品仍有市場, 但論音場定位高低音域等冇得主觀, 一比較必知誰勝誰負. |
Tea![]() 61.xxx.xxx.43 |
2006-11-14 04:35 |
[#1060] 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? 現在才肯上報幾個字見諒 多謝Trends兄抽空 玩了UD-10.一個下午 UD-10 是由 PC+ [UD-10] +DAC 的中間角色 可以叫USB connector 比較合適 各位師兄 一個好的誤差少數字音源 大家都渴求 香港人 能夠做出象這樣的HiFi 設計實在下了不少心血 原先對造種USB小玩意末作比較之前 也有些懷疑 但開聲後 有感科之進步 太震撼 就象 這題目: 最勁 HTPC 有可能靚聲過 CD 機嗎? 最心寒 就是一些沒有用心 做存CD機的混水摸魚廠商 如佩搭得好PC+UD-10 足以泊近近萬元CD player 在此 也希望Trends兄 與胡Sir 能長期借出地方給大家試聽以証實力 UD-10 給你的印象是 PC 竟能出到近萬元級CD機 的 當時我只得一個O型嘴 有點突然 至於通透度 希望日後有高人 稍作麾改小處 應可更上一層樓 不可聽過一世 也可聽返三兩年 小第不才 簡短數十字 ![]() |
HK2046![]() 218.xxx.xxx.212 |
2006-11-14 05:13 |