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[#17032] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
What's a pair of beauty to my eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Gingers
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2007-10-23 17:41
[#17033] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
Colin

What method will you take to give this pair of beauty a bath??


John

Gingers
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2007-10-23 19:46
[#17034] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
This may be one of the most stunning pair in town :-)



Gingers
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2007-10-23 19:47
[#17035] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
The wing is amazing :-)



Gingers
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2007-10-23 19:48
[#17036] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
Colin

Please share the progress when you restore it :-)





Gingers
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2007-10-23 19:49
[#17037] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    


that is the picture. the side was rusty and you painted them. if the polish is conductive, you will short the laminations.
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For those who do not yet know what was actually meant by the above statement, it should be elaborated.

Laminates are sheets of steel cut into "E" and "I" (or other shapes for other types of transformers). The sort of steel sheets that are good for making transformers should satify two basic requirements: (a) highly permeable to magnetic flux to contain as much magnetic energy as possible, and (b) highly resistive to electricity so that localized electric current on one laminate (due to cutting magnet flux by the laminate) cannot flow to the other laminate, and eventually, short the circuit to consume and waste magnetic energy.

For the purpose of (b), the common laminate, Z11, for example, for power supply transformers has a layer of oxide (grey in colour) on both sides of it. The metal oxide is non-conductive of electricity. When rested laminates are cleaned, the metal part of laminates is exposed. If shoe polish actually conducts electricity, all the laminates are to some extent short-circuited by the shoe polish.

That power supply transformer will be hotter and the amp will sound like lacking force.

That output transformer will sound poor as if the entire amp is downgraded.

But of course, we should make sure if shoe polish or another substance used in restoration is also good for purposes other than cosmetic.

Cheers!

rcwy
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2007-10-23 22:59
[#17038] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    

Ace - Thanks for sharing!

I believe the toughness of the fibre board used for my "BLACK" tag boards make it bullet-proof. I actually cannot break a piece with bare hands. LEAK phenolic boards would have been broken several times already.

rcwy
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2007-10-23 23:06
[#17039] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
It could be innovative to use 膠水 instead of soldering tin! Not kidding.
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Richard

Thanks for sharing.
May I know which 膠水 is your best choice?

John
Gingers
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2007-10-23 23:34
[#17040] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    

Gingers,

First of all, you need to know what is contained by the "paste" before use. I have not yet tried and will not try because I am not innovative enough. :)
rcwy
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2007-10-23 23:40
[#17041] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
I believe the toughness of the fibre board used for my "BLACK" tag boards make it bullet-proof. I actually cannot break a piece with bare hands. LEAK phenolic boards would have been broken several times already.
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Will the "BLACK" tag boards also improve the sound??
I am thinking if both "BLACK" tag boards and LEAK phenolic boards work good, the difference of sound performance should not be too obvious.





Gingers
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2007-10-23 23:44
[#17042] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    

Gingers,

You are right there should not be sonic change due to fibre boards (instead of phenolic boards). It is NOT the purpose for using fibre boards. The only reason is fibre board has better heat tolerance and do not break easily.

rcwy
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2007-10-23 23:50
[#17043] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
If shoe polish actually conducts electricity, all the laminates are to some extent short-circuited by the shoe polish.

That power supply transformer will be hotter and the amp will sound like lacking force.

That output transformer will sound poor as if the entire amp is downgraded.

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Richard

Your words really scared me.

BTW, are you sure the shoe polish conducts electricity? I always see there is a "IF" in your sentences, i.e. If shoe polish actually conducts electricity...etc.

You know, my heart is not as strong as my body looks. And you know I am quite proud of my 25A. Apart from emphasizing my method is innovative, please don't scare me :-)

Anyways, I am still grateful to you for your sharing :-)





Gingers
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2007-10-24 00:13
[#17044] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
ginger,

the polish definitely conducts electricity. i tested it just now. having said that the resistance is still pretty high in the region of 1-2Mohm. so as far eddy current is concerned, i think it should be o.k.
drwkng
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2007-10-24 00:17
[#17045] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
having said that the resistance is still pretty high in the region of 1-2Mohm. so as far eddy current is concerned
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King

Sorry. I did not understnad.
Are you saying that the shoe polish may do harm to the transformers.

I am grateful to you for conducting a test on the shoe polish. I can see you are a guy can make use of living example to support what you had said.

John



Gingers
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2007-10-24 00:35
[#17046] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
Good night

He is handsome, isn't he??

:-)



Gingers
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2007-10-24 00:47
[#17047] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
Gingers,

I actually don't have any shoe polish and the "IF" is for you to find out and to learn not to take risk.

:)
rcwy
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2007-10-24 00:52
[#17048] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
Typo, should read:

..and to learn to avoid risk.
rcwy
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2007-10-24 00:55
[#17049] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    

having said that the resistance is still pretty high in the region of 1-2Mohm. so as far eddy current is concerned
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Output transformer may be more sensitive to such leakage. Any comments from the cow experts? :)

rcwy
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2007-10-24 00:59
[#17050] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
I actually don't have any shoe polish and the "IF" is for you to find out and to learn not to take risk.

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Good morning

Last night I had a dream.

A shoe shine boy, he has to struggle for his living everyday. Although he is poor, he is happy.

He told me in the dream that the rich persons need not to buy any shoe polish to polish their shoes themselves. All they do is to step on others with their shining shoes.

One day a rich person came and blamed the shoe shine boy's shoe polish is a poison, leaking into his shoes and caused him lacking force and sound poor when he sings.

The shoe shine boy denied and explained, saying he had used this brandname of shoe polish several years already. His shoe polish is working fine. He asked the rich why the shoe polish is a poison in a soft tone.

However, the rich only shouted to the poor shoe shine boy in an ordering tone that he has no shoe polish, it is the responsibility for the shoe shine boy to find out and to learn that his shoe polish is poisonous................................................................

A dream to share. Please don't ask me the ending as I wake up already :-)

John



Gingers
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2007-10-24 06:55
[#17051] Leak Club for Leakies or Leak user    
Different ears, different tastes and different approaches
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Hi all

Thanks a lot to all of you to share your views on a small layer of shoe polish topic.

In fact, in the dream I also talked with Mr. Harold Leak who also reminded me not to apply the shoe polish on the transformers as he also thought that the poor shoe polish insulted his proud UK blue blood, elegant image of 12.1 :-(







Gingers
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2007-10-24 07:22
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