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[#1967] What are you listening to? CKM - Morning! Nice to meet you and your family yesterday. Your son is lovely! I wish him 快高長大 - 身體健康..! :)		rcwy 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.253	2007-09-27 09:09

[#1968] What are you listening to?

Have to be on the Rosenkavalier today.

cpsjj

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219.xxx.xxx.124

2007-09-27 10:04

[#1969] What are you listening to?
cpsjj:

Morning!

Thank for your introduction about Kleiber's Der Rosenklavier, never heard this opera full set before but heard a short excerpt of Rosenklavier Suite conducted by Fritz Reiner and played by CSO in his album "Vienna".

I just own Erich Kleiber's recording of Mozart The Marriage of Figaro (recorded in 1955!), the CD which I always cherish and love to hear the golden string and mellifluous woodwind of VPO, the rightness of tempo and Kleiber's sense of proportion still rings out after five decades! Ifeel surprised how distinguished the mono sound was in a vivid, dynamic and sumptuous fashion, both Hilde Gueden's sweet and straightforward Susanna stands out, along with Fernando Corena's deliciously idiomatic Bartolo ,Cesare Siepi also sung in a top form where the contemporaray soprano could not deliver us such an unique viennese glamour, a "must" for those who gathers Mozart opera Boxset!

george1977

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203.xxx.xxx.94

2007-09-27 10:41

[#1970] What are you listening to?
cpsjj,

For Rosenkavalier, I have Karajan classic recording in 1956 and Carlo Kleiber 1994 verion on DVD. However, I put it into shlf but never really pay attention to it. I think I should revise it tonight.

Chan Kai Ming

chankaiming

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203.xxx.xxx.106

2007-09-27 10:48

[#1971] What are you listening to?
Last night, listened to Emil Gilels 1950 recording of Beethoven's piano concerto No. 1&2.

The sound quality was really fall short of today's atandard, it also mask the beautiful piano tone of Emil Gilels which was well known to be as solid as iron. Emil Gilels was a young pianist at that time, but his treatment were quite heavy, the slow movement was really slow and romantic which take some time for me to get used to. Although Emil Gilels playing was excellent, I would still prefer Vogt recent attempt with Rattle/CBSO, or Amiard/Harnoncourt for its better sound quality and its light and fresh piano playing.

Richter have recorded this work with Munch on RCA, his approach was quite similiar to Gilels, but certain Richter enjoyed better recording and his playing was more inspiration, if anyone want Beethoven piano concerto to play in a grand romantic manner should look no further.

chankaiming

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203.xxx.xxx.106

2007-09-27 11:17

[#1972] What are you listening to?

ckm, george1977,

Both of these recordings are excellent performances in their own right. The libretto of the Kleiber version is better layout and the booklet is lighter :-) so I think I will bring along Kleiber's booklet to the concert tonight.

cpsjj

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219.xxx.xxx.124

2007-09-27 11:33

[#1973] What are you listening to?
cpsjj":

I might go to watch this opera on Saturday night before purchasing the albums you recommend, for my own persistent preference, Erich Klieber will be my first choice though Karajan's account own a great casting such like Schwarzkopf and Christa Ludwig, I value the viennese charm of Kleiber's account more than german legtimacy. See whether De Wart can rejuvenate this mood or not :P

George1977

george1977

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203.xxx.xxx.94

2007-09-27 11:40

[#1974] What are you listening to?

Emil Gilels was a young pianist at that time, but his treatment were quite heavy
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Most Russian pianists played more or less the same way, ie. the Russian style, when they first emerged from Russia. They all possessed phenomenal skills but all were more like bumpkins playing provincial music. It's only at least 5-6 years after they were exposed to the western way of playing that they can be named great pianists.

cpsjj

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219.xxx.xxx.124

2007-09-27 11:52

[#1975] What are you listening to?
for one thing the Karajan's Rosenkavalier had superb sound of demonstration quality. In recording opera there is no better label than EMI.
For Beethoven piano concerto cycle the later recording by Gilels/Szell is excellent, when Gilels was more mature and in splendid form.

kh33

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219.xxx.xxx.182

2007-09-27 12:46

[#1976] West Kowloon Cultural District

Although there are now more than a dozen concert halls scattered around HK, the West Kowloon Cultural District, the future rendezvous of all cultural activities, will include a likely top-of-the-line “Concert Hall and Chamber Music Hall in a free standing structure with iconic architecture”.

It would be our poignant desire, as fervent classical music lovers, to have as well a truly world class concert hall to take the place of the Cultural Centre which has become universally known for its poor sound. What Hong Kong badly needs is a concert hall with superb acoustics, not to be designed again, quite ironically, by acoustic engineers who know little about music, but by experienced concert hall designers whose credentials ought to include concert halls widely acclaimed by the world. Designing good halls is an art form atop of all technological aspirations.

We have leading orchestras of the world performing in HK every now and then. It is an utter disgrace to HK and a great loss to music lovers simply because our concert hall does not do them sufficient justice. Iconic architecture is certainly eye-catching and most welcome, but it is the sonic content inside that makes or breaks the final product. Hopefully our government is not making the same mistakes twice!

I would very much like to urge friends here who share my sentiments to voice their opinions with the authority. The more responses we have, the better chances we may stand to having the most desirable concert hall for our music appreciation in the future.

Here is the link to send in your views:

http://www.hab.gov.hk/wkcd/pe/eng/intro.htm

You may join the forum, send an email or filling in the wish card that wouldn’t take more than 5 minutes.

limage

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219.xxx.xxx.250

2007-09-27 14:26

[#1977] West Kowloon Cultural District
Limage:

Absolutely agreed!

I will surely voice our demand coz we are taxpayers and fervent classical fans, the top priority is sonic requirement and outstanding acoustic design by those designers who have earned credits before. As some visiting world-class musicians did complain that the unreasonably cold temperature makes them uncomfortable and coughing during the performance.

I am particularly impressive of the following two halls in Asia which have an outstanding reverberation and good command in resonance, as well as the interior temperature control, I can give my genuine testimony on it:

Suntory Music Hall (Tokyo)
CKS Memorial Halls District (National Music Hall) (Taipei)

George1977

george1977

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219.xxx.xxx.197

2007-09-27 16:58

[#1978] West Kowloon Cultural District
Limage,

I strongly support your proposal, by the way would you mind we use your post as a letter to Home Affairs Bureau?

I would like to add that most acoustically excellent concert hall was modeled on some famous hall, I would also urge our government to do so instead of design one out of the box.

Below are some universially acclaimed concert hall for our government to consider, most of them are `Shoes box' design:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_Hall,_Boston

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musikverein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concertgebouw

chankaiming

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203.xxx.xxx.106

2007-09-27 17:15

[#1979] West Kowloon Cultural District
Boston symphony Hall

chankaiming

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203.xxx.xxx.106

2007-09-27 17:17

[#1980] West Kowloon Cultural District
CKM & Limage:

Wow, CKM posted a great picture of Musikverein, Vienna

Then I paste a picture of Suntory Hall in Tokyo instead.

a fusion of Concertgebouw Amsterdam and Philharmoniker Hall Berlin

george1977

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219.xxx.xxx.197

2007-09-27 17:21

[#1981] West Kowloon Cultural District
Suntory Hall Discription:

"The Suntory Hall opened in 1986 as the very first hall in Tokyo dedicated to the holding of concerts. With the basic concept of providing "the most beautiful sounds in the world", it was designed taking into consideration the views of eminent conductors and musicians currently active around the world, stage managers, and lovers of classical music. The audience seats were laid out in a configuration surrounding the stage in a terraced form ascending to the rear, and was styled in a vineyard arrangement. Because of this configuration, it became possible for the musicians and audience to achieve an even closer sense of togetherness acoustically and visually."

george1977

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219.xxx.xxx.197

2007-09-27 17:22

[#1982] West Kowloon Cultural District
Suntory hall look really similiar to Berliner Philharmonie

chankaiming

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203.xxx.xxx.106

2007-09-27 17:45

[#1983] West Kowloon Cultural District
Limage:

As far as I remember, the city of Birmingham Music Hall is also one of the best music hall in Europe, apart from Musikverein (Vienna), Concertgebouw Hall (Amsterdam) and Philharmoniker Hall (Berlin), it merges the best of both world : shoe-box shape and adjustable suspension of canopy which is essential to the reverberation time and control of resonance, I attended a concert of CBSO and CBS Chorus over there (the program should be Faure Requiem), effect was stunning and remarkable.

Now Suntory (Tokyo) and Philharmoniker Hall (Berlin) adopts the similar "Terrace-shaped design" which has become the model of HK culture center, however, as you said the chief designer of HK cultural center was an acoustic freak without considering how important the reverberation is for classical music (nor he has a good pair of classically-trained ears). That why the terrace design fails by virtue of the over-absorption and
reluctance of thick wood veneer.

A lesson that we should learn and not to repeat again!

george1977

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219.xxx.xxx.197

2007-09-27 17:48

[#1984] West Kowloon Cultural District

CKM and George,

Yes, shoe box is the key in fact for many a success of concert halls throughout the world. Our City Hall, Shatin and Tsuen Wan concert halls are in fact scaled down versions of the Royal Festival Hall of London, and they all sound terrific! The pity is few modern designers have the wisdom to stay away from gimmicks that they choose to call innovations.

I have in fact started the topic through Online Discussion Board, under the title of Concert Hall Requirements:-

http://wkcddiscussion.hab.gov.hk/forum/stopiclist.php?pageno=1&catid=6&sord=lmdate%20desc

limage

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58.xxx.xxx.6

2007-09-27 17:59

[#1985] West Kowloon Cultural District
Limage,

Although I think the interior should be a shoe box design, it will do no harm if they have something innovative on the exterior of the concert hall.