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| [#201] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Dear Alan, Sorry for so many questions ask for you, as I really interested on the pilot series. What's the different between Pilot and Pilotone? Thanks |
Taimonsing 正式會員202.xxx.xxx.11 |
2006-07-12 16:42 | |
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| [#202] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier The selling point of Pilot and Fisher are completely different…! The Pilot gear usually sound slower, romance, mallow and warmer, it has very good thickness of mid and mid-low range, but slightly lack of extension of both end and slightly slow in sonic response. Pilot has outstanding ability to represent sadness, blue, romance and very emotional tone. The Fisher gear usually sound open, clear, sweet, mellow and faster, it has fine body than mid and mid-high. Sure it has better extension of both end, but especially better extension of in high but slightly solid in bass if compared to Pilot. Fisher has outstanding ability to represent active, happiness and pleasure tone (except Fisher 80-C and 90-C).Please let me know any specific model of Pilot. |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-07-12 17:00 |
| [#203] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Sorry! I did not answer you question correctly...! The Pilotone is the brand under Pilot Radio Corp introduce in 1937, first to be used in Pilot tuner. |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-07-12 17:07 |
| [#204] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Dear Alan, Any idea on this, It should be PA913 preamp and AA904 power amp. Thanks  |
Taimonsing 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.11 |
2006-07-12 17:23 |
| [#205] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Dear Taimonshing Yes! They are PA-913 and AA-904! Actually, the preamp and power amp are also licensed by RCA introduced in mid-50's. The Pilot PA-913 has very flexible control with variable loudness, It has thick body, slightly foward but very warm tone, but the problem is slightly lower gain than the other Pilot gears. The Pilot PA-913 is not very as friendly as SP-215, SP-216 or SP-216A. Personally, I like it flexibility, but it does not sound as natrual as early product PA-901 and PA-902. Pilot AA-904 is second generation top of the line power amp, it operated with 2 x KT66 at 30 watts output. It has warm, mellow tone and much powerful than the early top of the line model AA-901, but not as fine body, natrual, grand and open as AA-901 in triode operation. Best regards Alan |
Pilotrol 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.195 |
2006-07-12 22:07 |
| [#206] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Dear Taimonsing兄， 我係Pilotrol黈{弟啊John。我跟糱lan已經有好幾年，我係Alan身上學到好多關於音樂上感情嚗蔗韘P表達。 我而家有嚝鳩鬫p下： 前級：Fisher 50C + Pilot PA-913 後級：Pilot AA-410 + Quad II 收音機：Pilot AF-821, AF-824 除音前：Pilot FA690 *注：有D器材係借鵅I 如果你有興趣想聽聽以上器材，你可以約個時間一齊研究下。 我e貓係tangkaiyip@gmail.com |
tangkaiyip 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.219 |
2006-07-12 23:50 |
| [#207] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier For example, Richard (founder of Eico club) votes for Eico ST-84 or HF-85 as his favorite preamp but Tim (founder of HK Tube Audio) votes for 400CX-2. ----------------------------- Haha.. didn't know that I was quoted. But I change my taste from time to time after I listened to more preamps. :) My current position is: EICO HF-85 vs EICO ST-84: HF-85 has better phono stage but ST-84 is more easy to use. Both are very good value-for-money vintage preamps. EICO HF-85/ST-84 vs FISHER 400CX: In sonics, 400CX is better in virtually all aspects except in price (which is not sonics). The EICO preamps are "entry class" vintage stereo preamps for the limited budgets, whereas the 400CX (and CX-2) are "secondary graduates" who can make you happy most of the time. FISHER 400CX vs 400CX-2: These are two VERY close versions of the SAME model, 400CX (not 400CX-2 or 400CX-3), except in the use of 12AT7 vs 7247 respectively. I never like the tube 7247 for it is never vintage enough as the 12AX7/U7/T7 and never has the wide versions of tubes that 12AT7 offer. I can't see a reason why 400CX-2 should demand a doubled price of the 400CX, except its higher reliability of the 400CX-2 (because it is younder!). Is 400CX/400CX-2 "the best stereo preamp" - No! While these preamps have very good details of music and very nice tonality (easy to listen), they lack the precision if you compare with high quality modern tube preamp (but not many in this world). In my view, what was said about "emotion" is actually under the concept of "high fidelity" that the preamp is able to "re-create" honestly and precisely the music recorded. Happy ears! |
rcwy 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.246 |
2006-07-13 07:38 |
| [#208] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Some corrections: Haha.. didn't know that I was quoted. But I change my views from time to time after I listened to more preamps. :) My current position is: EICO HF-85 vs EICO ST-84: HF-85 has better phono stage but ST-84 is easier to use. Both are very good value-for-money vintage preamps. EICO HF-85/ST-84 vs FISHER 400CX: In sonics, 400CX is better in virtually all aspects except in price (which is not sonics). The EICO preamps are "entry class" vintage stereo preamps for the limited budgets, whereas the 400CX (and CX-2) are "secondary graduates" who can make you happy most of the time. FISHER 400CX vs 400CX-2: These are two VERY close versions of the SAME model, 400CX (not 400CX-2 or 400CX-3), except in their use of different cathode-follower (12AT7 vs 7247 respectively). I never like the tube 7247 (strictly vis-a-vis 12AX7/U7/T7!) for it is never vintage enough and never has the wide versions of tube that 12AT7 offers. I can't see a good reason why 400CX-2 should demand a doubled price of the 400CX, except its higher reliability of the 400CX-2 (because it is younder!). Is 400CX/400CX-2 "the best stereo preamp" - No! While these preamps have very good details of music and very nice tonality (easy to listen), they lack the precision if you compare them with high quality modern tube preamps (but not many genuine hi-quality ones in this world - I should stop here on this point). In my view, what was said about "emotion" is actually under the concept of "high fidelity" that a preamp is able to "re-create" honestly and precisely the music recorded. Happy ears! |
rcwy 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.246 |
2006-07-13 07:52 |
| [#209] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Richard! Thank you for sharing your experience! “High-Fidelity” is always the second priority to me behind the "emotion of music". I believe different audiophile should have different goal toward hi-fi, so different philosophies also make our ears and musical taste different than the others. One thing I’m sure that you are a good audiophile with a piece warm heart toward hi-fi, but also very honor to what you believes…! |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-07-13 09:48 |
| [#210] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Hi John, Nice to meet you and of course I have interested on your pilot collection too. Here is my email: pls let me know when you get free. Taimonsing@hotmail.com Thanks so much! |
Taimonsing 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.11 |
2006-07-13 10:19 |
| [#211] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Alan, Greetings! :) |
rcwy 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.246 |
2006-07-13 20:29 |
| [#212] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier sorry folks, 轉自 afantelo: 小弟系呢樹留言,行不改名,坐不改姓,除非全世界其中一部純膽機根據國際規格出到100Hz以下同18khz以上(已預鬆左幾hz比你走棧)先至講。 afantelo 會員 218.xxx.xxx.107 06-07-14 12:12 |
小草 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.111 |
2006-07-14 12:39 |
| [#213] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Alan, i can't answer for john lo but i can share some of my views. and you must pardon me for my rather dry british humour about those words. anyway, "What is your favorite preamp," of course it is the next one i'm going to build. " so that I can have better idea of your musical taste?" well let's see. when i want to quiet down, i listen to chinese 'Qin'. when i'm surfing the net, i might go for songs all the way from chinese opera, mainland chinese folk/pop, irish singing etc. but early in the morning i might bombard myself with classical music both chinese and western. there is also radio etc. hifi to me an illusion engine. it is there to fool me. that's why i don't find any vintage preamp acceptable. most of them don't really amplify to say the least. they distort the signal too much to make the rendition believable. they might sound 'nice' but i don't want my hifi to just sound 'nice'. i want them to sound 'real'. the case in point is the fisher 400CX. i happened to audition it at home and measured it as well. this little thing starts to roll around 100hz even at small signal. at any output about 1 volt output, it has distortion all the to 10-20th order harmonics. and the measurement bears out my listening experience. it just sounds too muddy. the so called 'transparent high frequency' is no more than just nth order distortion. i know many like this preamp. but hey hifi is just for entertainment. take whatever float your boat but i'm afraid they don't float mine. |
drwkng 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.111 |
2006-07-14 13:18 |
| [#214] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Dear King "High-Fidelity” is always the second priority to me behind the "emotion of music". I believe different audiophile should have different goal toward hi-fi, so different philosophies also make our ears and musical taste different than the others. Don't have to say sorry if our point of view toward music and hi-fi is different! Because our ears and taste are also different. If you are looking for low distortion on high order harmonic, believe you would like very clear and open sound? It Fisher 400CX-2 cannot satisfied you ears, than you can try Fisher 50-C, it has much less high order harmonic distortion in my listensing experiance. Sure it does not sound details as Fisher 400CX-2, but much smoother, open, real and natural tone at high. |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-07-14 13:36 |
| [#215] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Dear 小草 afantelo is a 井底之蛙...! FYI, 52 year old vintage technologies already achieve this specification he mentioned...! I will not reply to afantelo again, because this guy keep argue with no point at all! He never read my post and I'm just like talking to the wall! Hope you will not misleading by him! Please read specification of Fisher 70-A as below! Good luck! Best regards Alan  |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-07-14 14:15 |
| [#216] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Dear 小草 I must correct myself because Fisher 70-A should be 53 but not 52 years old...! Best regards Alan |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-07-14 14:21 |
| [#217] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier alan, "High-Fidelity” is always the second priority to me behind the "emotion of music". "emotion of music" is an illusive thing. i only use my hifi as a delivery channel for music as i said it is an illusion engine. i don't need my hifi to provide any "emotion of music". i leave that to the artists. "Don't have to say sorry if our point of view toward music and hi-fi is different! Because our ears and taste are also different." i don't think you get it. the apology is not on my take on hifi but my rather peculiar sense of humour of those english words. i never apologise on my view of hifi. why should I? "It Fisher 400CX-2 cannot satisfied you ears, than you can try Fisher 50-C, it has much less high order harmonic distortion in my listensing experiance." i in fact heard all fisher preamps. can't say i'm impressed with any of them. |
drwkng 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.111 |
2006-07-14 14:39 |
| [#218] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Dear King Fully understand that you are an "audiophile" are focusing on reproduct the "sound". I'm a "music lover" focus on emotion of music. We have different goal of hi-fi for sure. Best regards Alan |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-07-14 14:59 |
| [#219] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier Dear King Do you feel there is any different between the Fisher 80-C and Fisher 400CX-2? Best regards Alan |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-07-14 15:03 |
| [#220] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier alan, "Fully understand that you are an "audiophile" are focusing on reproduct the "sound". I'm a "music lover" focus on emotion of music. We have different goal of hi-fi for sure." actually i would say no. i don't know about you but i regard music appreciation as one of basic human wonders. good music can move a person emotionally as well 'physically'. this is almost a divine attribute. but what i differ from you is that you need to tweak your hifi equipment to appreciate the music whereas i would like my hifi to get out of the way so that i can appreciate the music. |
drwkng 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.111 |
2006-07-14 15:51 |
