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| [#21] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi dkjg hing, nice report ^_^. harbeth不適合播rock/pop, 可能是出於誤解。 harbeth的頻寬和速度要應付rock/pop不是問題, 缺少的可能是一些刺激感。 這卻是BBC聲糸的設計理念 - 他們已中頻重播為首要條件, 所有會影響中頻重播效果的設計皆棄用。而刺激的高低頻正是拉薄和污染中頻的元兇。 為何BBC的設計理念如此著重中頻重播? 因為我們所聽到的真實聲音其實超過80%是中頻, 它涵誘j部份樂器(甚至鼓聲,cello)和人聲, 而中頻的效果主宰了像真度和細節, 所以成左漱分W重播, 等於成平垓{了超過80%的聲音效果。 可惜的是, 有些rock/pop的聲音並不是真實的, 而是EQ和mixer 推出來的, 這些聲音同樣影響了像真度和細節, 只是當我們聽到了這些訊息, 腦袋調節了我們的要求而已。 順帶一提, 如果你聽到harbeth的聲音不夠生氣, 節奏緩慢(有些朋友對harbeth的評價...), 這說明一件事, 擴音器不夠電流和控制力。 說真的, harbeth並不如坊間所說的易推。^_^ |
gneonhk 203.xxx.xxx.226 |
2007-09-07 19:01 | |
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| [#22] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi gneonhk hing, I can't agree with you more that Harbeth speakers are hungry for power. I have tried to use monoblock amps to drive M20's and they really sing. |
eidos 218.xxx.xxx.193 |
2007-09-07 23:01 |
| [#23] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi gneonhk hing, may i ask where you find the origin of this mid range thoery? |
ninekit 220.xxx.xxx.61 |
2007-09-08 01:00 |
| [#24] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi dkjg兄, 你對Compant 7有何意見? |
童虎 210.xxx.xxx.221 |
2007-09-08 08:11 |
| [#25] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi ninekit兄, 這是小弟自己寫的拙作, 有錯請多多指教。^_^!! |
gneonhk 203.xxx.xxx.226 |
2007-09-08 23:31 |
| [#26] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi Photo of my setup to share. ![]() |
dkjg 220.xxx.xxx.49 |
2007-09-09 14:35 |
| [#27] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi Try again ![]() |
dkjg 220.xxx.xxx.49 |
2007-09-09 14:47 |
| [#28] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi Here it is, ![]() |
dkjg 220.xxx.xxx.49 |
2007-09-09 15:03 |
| [#29] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi help to try ![]() |
gneonhk 210.xxx.xxx.221 |
2007-09-09 15:03 |
| [#30] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi Another view ![]() |
dkjg 220.xxx.xxx.49 |
2007-09-09 23:44 |
| [#31] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi 第四回合: Naum Starkman: Chopin track 2 Proac and Pure-malt 基本上表現差不多,高音鍵部份音色唔錯,夠清脆。Pure-malt 似乎比Proac幼細少少。但當Naum Starkman大力彈奏低音鍵時,整個畫面會即時變暗,無法重現出Grand piano的感覺,連帶高音都冇好似對上三個回合表現得那麼出色。這可能與舍下聆聽面積有12呎X25呎有關。如果在150呎或以下,相信表現會更理想。 Cello到這個回合終於打出其身價。Piano無論是高音還是低音部份都有理想的表現,唔錯。絕無以上兩對speakers走樣的現像。 到Harbeth播放這張CD,一台更Grand、更埋身的piano即時重現於眼前,論氣勢及低音部份都比Cello更好,更真實,臨場感更高。但高音部份似乎Cello更幼細,這亦可能與Cello較輕、較laid back的表現手法有關。 Revel的低音部份當然有更大能量,但中高高音部份就及不上Harbeth或Cello了。當聽過Harbeth,總覺得Revel披了一層紗。 小結:如果你喜歡臨場感高,有點刺激性的表現手法,選Harbeth絕不會錯。如果你喜歡整體平衡度一樣好而較舒服的聲音,Cello will be your cup of tea。 |
dkjg 202.xxx.xxx.46 |
2007-09-11 12:33 |
| [#32] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi dkjg> nice review. I wish I could accomodate M30 in my home. saw the 30th M30 in Century last saturday. they were in rosenut i think. they are now going for about $28,500. |
pete7013 202.xxx.xxx.50 |
2007-09-11 12:55 |
| [#33] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi 童虎兄: 我聽過Compact 7ES3 兩次,合共亦少於45分鐘,所以並不能很準確、詳盡指出Compact7ES3的強項或弱點。還是由Compact7ES3的用家來發表較好。 但Compact7ES無論在日本、台灣、美國及英國均有很高的評價,相信必有其過人之處。 如果以我有限的兩次聆聽經驗計,在non-monitor line中,我最喜歡SHL-5,始終更全面。當然還要考慮到價錢、聆聽面積等因素。 |
dkjg 202.xxx.xxx.52 |
2007-09-13 18:00 |
| [#34] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi I had a 2 hours a/b comparison audition experience between C7 ES3 and M30. The impression : M30 sounded tighter, better seperation, more precise, faster sound(dynamic?), more attack(great for rock). The C7 was more relax, bigger image, seems deeper bass(less details), more coherent sound picture as a whole. Mid range vocal, C7 was more attractive to me, M30 seems too "honest" and thin(relatively). The highs....I don't know, I found M30 sounded a bit bright....may be matching problem. PS, I am not sure the M30 is fully run in, but the store keeper said they have same mileage, the comparison is fair. I don't know which one is better, but i like C7 more. |
rover901 202.xxx.xxx.52 |
2007-09-13 21:54 |
| [#35] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi rover901, I had nearly the same experience as yours. Finally I chose C7ES3 over M30. C7ES3 is also less picky on stand height. This is also important in my small diamond-shaped living room. |
jttlee 58.xxx.xxx.146 |
2007-09-13 22:16 |
| [#36] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi dkjg, How much of D-05? |
DD 203.xxx.xxx.253 |
2007-09-13 23:51 |
| [#37] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi 第六回合:Living stereo / Stokowski: Rhapsody Track 1 Proac and Pure-malt 表現相若。弦樂部份以及三角鈴,Pure-malt比Proac幼細少少。和上一回合一樣,當全員齊奏時,整個畫面會即時變暗及縮細。在舍下重播大型orchestra,對體積如此細小的喇叭來說,始終有點強人所難。相信換在面積較細的地方,會有更理想之表現。 Cello繼續表現其實力。音場闊大,定位準確、sharp。整體平衡很好。 到Harbeth上場,彷彿從音樂廳的中間位置坐前到頭幾行。與樂司們更接近,亦更刺激。音場係五對speakers中最闊的,第一次聽會被嚇一跳,比這方面的高手Cello還要闊,利害。前後感的交代亦OK,絕不會平版,但當然就及不上Cello了。弦樂的音色比Cello「厚」,屬中性偏暖小小,係一種很舒服而真實的弦樂聲,而Cello的弦樂聲就清淡些。而且在滿員全奏的片段音場音色都唔會走樣。整體表現出色。 至於Revel,依然採取中庸之道。音場並非最闊,深度亦非最佳,音色亦然。但相對於Harbeth 和Cello,Revel總像加了一層薄紗。 小結:仍然是Harbeth與Cello之爭,取舍依然取決於個人口味。如果你喜歡較laid back 的presentation,可選Cello。相反,如果你喜歡坐前排聽及較刺激的表現手法,Harbeth M30 would be your choice。音色上,Cello係清淡但優美;而Harbeth是較暖及舒服。如果你喜歡Laidback但溫暖的聲音,Harbeth的non-monitor line或Proac可能能滿足到你。 |
dkjg 202.xxx.xxx.52 |
2007-09-14 12:21 |
| [#38] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi Typo. 應該係第五回合 |
dkjg 202.xxx.xxx.52 |
2007-09-14 12:24 |
| [#39] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi dkjg hing, Thank you for your reply! |
童虎 210.xxx.xxx.221 |
2007-09-14 21:14 |
| [#40] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editi dkjg hing, thak you very much for you test report. I feel sorrow why I didn't test M30 3 year ago when it cost 16k when I 1st time saw it. I think possibly I will bought it after tested. |
r33w 221.xxx.xxx.48 |
2007-09-15 12:26 |