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[#4983] 單端胆機同好會 "直流點燈絲會縮短膽壽命?" I remember this was mentioned in the Japanese Audio Magazine. They claimed that the DC filament across the filament would be different from end to end. The filament with higher DC potential would have less current flow to the anode. The one with lower DC potential would have more current. Filament with AC supply would have the same current at both ends. Is this really true?? I doubted. The current through the 300B filament is 1.2A. The anode current is about 70mA which is insignificant in comparison with 1.2A filament current. On the other hand, most of the audio amplifier manufacturers squeeze the output power as much as possible. In order to get more output power, the output power tubes were set beyond the maximum power dissipation limit. I believe this is the reason why the power tubes are having SHORT LIFE. This is just my understanding. Your comment/opinion are most welcome. |
johnnykmtang![]() 70.xxx.xxx.22 |
2025-03-31 21:26 | |
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[#4984] 單端胆機同好會 其實呢個線路亦都唔需要用到mcu咁複雜,只需要一粒7805穩壓器,穩壓器輸出串接一粒整流管(1N4007)再加粒超級電容1F作電源供電比以下線路(關咗機都有電保持住D-FF狀態)。之後加個電源觸發線路接去D-FF clk in,D-FF 輸出接晶體管再推relay。 ![]() ![]() 最後修改時間: 2025-03-31 21:48:32 |
DY2036![]() 182.xxx.xxx.68 |
2025-03-31 21:43 |
[#4985] 單端胆機同好會 #4983 電子管燈絲加熱之後電子會變成遊離電子,佢會被正電壓吸引(屏極),同樣道理燈絲兩端亦有電位差,電子流亦會由低電位飛去高電位,長期衝擊之下燈絲正極嗰邊會容易折斷。交流電因為電極會不斷改變所以兩邊損耗是一樣。 |
DY2036![]() 182.xxx.xxx.68 |
2025-03-31 22:01 |
[#4986] 單端胆機同好會 或者再加多隻555 edge trigger連接去D-FF clk in成功機會會大啲。 ![]() 最後修改時間: 2025-03-31 22:23:44 |
DY2036![]() 182.xxx.xxx.68 |
2025-03-31 22:09 |
[#4987] 單端胆機同好會 亦都可以直情用555作flip flop。 ![]() 最後修改時間: 2025-03-31 22:36:48 |
DY2036![]() 182.xxx.xxx.68 |
2025-03-31 22:34 |
[#4988] 單端胆機同好會 #4987 #4980 實行這個功能。是可以有不同的設計。最緊要自己就手,方便。 最後修改時間: 2025-04-01 09:07:41 |
WilliamsonAudio![]() 182.xxx.xxx.254 |
2025-04-01 09:07 |
[#4989] 單端胆機同好會 其實用軟件也是好方便。調試的功能的時間也非常之少。 D3 是用來控制電器。正向同反向。關機之後自動反轉 Boots, 是紀錄開機的次數。 如果手上有齊開發板,十分鐘之內可以完成。 ![]() |
WilliamsonAudio![]() 182.xxx.xxx.254 |
2025-04-01 09:11 |
[#4990] 單端胆機同好會 我則用一款叫"自保持"繼電器,如圖所示,有兩組線圈,分別不同時間兩組供電,其效果有如撥動開關桿左右,斷電後保持狀態。 簡單易處理。 (電路板中間橙色即為自保持繼電器)#4980 ![]() 最後修改時間: 2025-04-01 10:07:12 |
新老手![]() 124.xxx.xxx.187 |
2025-04-01 10:05 |
[#4991] 單端胆機同好會 三種設計方式,都能達到同一目標,分別係電機佬,電子佬,數字硬件佬,各師各法各精彩! |
新老手![]() 124.xxx.xxx.187 |
2025-04-01 10:25 |
[#4992] 單端胆機同好會 我就用最原始方法,左右聲道,膽座正負掉轉焊,毎二至三個月對掉 ,順便可以跟吓偏壓! |
Baker.Steven![]() 203.xxx.xxx.3 |
2025-04-01 10:54 |
[#4993] 單端胆機同好會 對應方法多多,但由此可見,大家都沒有因為膽壽命長短,或[聲底]作考量,而一面倒只用AC來給燈絲供電。 |
羅密歐![]() 14.xxx.xxx.98 |
2025-04-01 11:58 |
[#4994] 單端胆機同好會 用AC點燈絲是最簡單直接方法,如果掌握到各互為乾擾原件的合理佈局,接地線完全正確,(其實我睇到很多作品都係地線接到很亂的)亦可做到極低背景交流聲,而無需要用DC點燈絲所引起的複雜結構。 做到AC點燈絲都很低交流聲的,基本上都係大師級別了。 |
新老手![]() 124.xxx.xxx.187 |
2025-04-01 12:31 |
[#4995] 單端胆機同好會 試過喺同一部胆機上300B燈絲供電用DC同AC作比對. 我吾敢講自己做到極低背景交流聲,但都可以聽下. 當由AC轉番DC時,背景聲好似攞走一層紗咁(更smooth同靜). 有人話AC點燈絲啲聲比較warm. 我吾識理論,但我吾覺得係warm. 反而覺得有點朦. 亦有人話AC點燈絲啲聲比較生動. 我覺得分别吾明顯. 最後只用DC點DHT燈絲(由其是輸入同推動級). 但吾同DC供電啲聲都有分别. 試過voltage regulation, CCS 同 choke smoothing. 各有不同聲. 以上是自己做實驗後得到的睇法. 當然有人會有吾同睇法. 冇問題的. 自己的機做出自己喜歡的聲就可以. 最緊要自己知道要什麼聲. 每次做實驗都喺訓練聽力的機會. |
bambino![]() 210.xxx.xxx.231 |
2025-04-01 13:42 |
[#4996] 單端胆機同好會 I have been using the switching mode regulator board for supply the DHT filament for some time. The regulator board is CHEAP from Ebay and AliExpress. I like it because it is very small in size, high efficiency, and having "Constant Voltage" CV and "Current Limiting" CC function. I used them for the 300B and 845 filament. I just have number of amps and number of DHT tubes (made in Russia and China). I don't bother switching the polarity of the DC filament supply at all. By the way, besides trying different filtering for the DHT power tube. I have been using the "shunt regulator - power zener" intead of the RC self bias. I experimented setting the 300B idle current from 60mA to 80mA yesterday and the B+ is 350Vdc across the plate-cathode. Having it running with 80mA idle current is still below the maximum power dissipation. With higher idle current, the distortion at the 300B stage would be less. Well, when the 300B runs at 80mA, it happened that the idle current would drift higher even the cathode voltage is still kept constant. This is why there's a 100mA at front panel for monitoring the 300B current. |
johnnykmtang![]() 70.xxx.xxx.22 |
2025-04-01 15:12 |
[#4997] 單端胆機同好會 #4983 >>>I remember this was mentioned in the Japanese Audio Magazine. They claimed that the DC filament across the filament would be different from end to end. The filament with higher DC potential would have less current flow to the anode. The one with lower DC potential would have more current. Filament with AC supply would have the same current at both ends. 下圖是LalaLam 師兄分享的圖, 來源是http://www.emissionlabs.com/Articles/TECH-BULLETIN/TB-03-Current-Sources.htm/TB-03-Current-Sources.html 圖形化地表達了這個現象。 #4983 >>>Is this really true?? I doubted. The current through the 300B filament is 1.2A. The anode current is about 70mA which is insignificant in comparison with 1.2A filament current. 我是這樣理解,屏流的概念。應該同燈絲電流是分開的。例如。屏流的來源是來自B+, 燈絲電流是來自燈絲電源。而燈絲電流主要係提供發熱。從而發射電子。但屏流非來自燈絲電流。 它們的路徑是不一樣的。 ![]() 最後修改時間: 2025-04-01 22:40:49 |
WilliamsonAudio![]() 182.xxx.xxx.254 |
2025-04-01 22:36 |
[#4998] 單端胆機同好會 #4991,4992,4993 其實真係好多方法。這樣數起嚟都有成五個。 最方便應用應該係。Baker 師兄那一種。 因為改動最細, 加開關都需要鑽窿。 最後修改時間: 2025-04-01 22:45:37 |
WilliamsonAudio![]() 182.xxx.xxx.254 |
2025-04-01 22:43 |
[#4999] 單端胆機同好會 還有一點對DHT燈絲在開機"無緣無故"燒斷的慘劇,平價膽衹帶來掃慶,貴價膽就真係心裹滴血!聽聞都發生唔少單。 我為免發生這事發生,加上一緩慢燈絲電壓起動功能,方法是用一RC延時約4秒啟動一繼電器供燈絲電,當啟動前以一大瓦數電阻串聯燈絲電壓至半數,以此電壓預熱約4秒,才接上正常電壓,此舉可免燈絲在突然受到大電流衝擊而燒斷。 相信不少師兄都有不同方法應對。 |
新老手![]() 59.xxx.xxx.92 |
2025-04-02 08:01 |
[#5000] 單端胆機同好會 我是用緩慢電壓起動喺全機電壓上 (包括整流膽燈絲和HT AC input). 對DHT來說,燈絲未熱就加上高電壓對支膽不太好. 我覺得如果燈絲供電有加上voltage regulator,ccs或choke都應該有效限制開機時產生的浪湧電流. 最大問題可能係AC燈絲供電. 這供電方式多數沒有機制防止或減少浪湧電流. |
bambino![]() 210.xxx.xxx.231 |
2025-04-02 10:13 |
[#5001] 單端胆機同好會 #4999-5000 燈絲軟啟動,其中一個方法,就是用LM317 再加三粒零件就可以,電壓是慢慢升起。旁熱膽也可以用。 軟啟動有 1 燈絲 2 高壓 3 負柵壓 4 火牛初級 而負柵壓控制是最少見。 開機屏流過大或燈絲未熱就加高壓也是會縮短膽的壽命。 ![]() |
WilliamsonAudio![]() 182.xxx.xxx.254 |
2025-04-03 07:14 |
[#5002] 單端胆機同好會 #5000 >>>我覺得如果燈絲供電有加上voltage regulator,ccs或choke都應該有效限制開機時產生的浪湧電流. voltage regulator等同電學上的voltge source, 是低內阻,供電電壓維持穩定。保證有足夠大的電流。所以他並沒有軟啟動的功能。除非刻意設計電壓慢慢升起。 |
WilliamsonAudio![]() 182.xxx.xxx.254 |
2025-04-03 07:34 |