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| [#101] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Peter, Gakuoh? That so awesome. Gotta visit to have a listen some time! That's probably Kondo-san's ultimate statement amp. I only wish I could...... Congratulations Peter!!! |
MatthewC 正式會員219.xxx.xxx.197 |
2006-10-09 07:09 | |
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| [#102] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Peter, as to the Tung Sol 5687, were you referring to this one? |
MatthewC 正式會員 206.xxx.xxx.34 |
2006-10-09 10:16 |
| [#103] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Matthew, this Tung-sol was made in the 60's, try to look at the plate of the 5687 in hand, the 2 plates are not flat as the ecc83/82, the 52's or earlier Tung-sol have plates same as the ecc83/82.They are very rare, a few months ago, 2 used appeared in Ebay, they ended up at about $150. The 2 Gakuoh were in my house today, as expected, they don't sound as good as the Ongaku at initial listening, I put in 4 new 1995 WE 300B to replace the KR tubes, they still sound bright and tense. I guess 100-200 hours running is necessary. I remember my Ongaku takes 3 months to sound right.Today, I also sell back the ART speakers to the agent and waiting for the Horning to come, as I said, Dec may be a good time to come to my place. |
ptsang 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.195 |
2006-10-09 23:59 |
| [#104] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Ho ho ho! X'mas is early this year :-) All you need is a quad of 50's engraved letter 300B's :-) That would be..... yum. But I had the 1988 300B's. Although people say is the crappiest WE300B, but I still think it sounded great. Just ask the Shindo owners (Shindo 300B comes w/ 1988 WE300B as standard) Actually maybe I really shouldn't come to your place. I am afraid I won't be able to handle the withdrawal symptoms afterwards. Last time I listened to the 300B/Horning rig, and I ditched my FM Acoustics, and got the Ongaku. I can't imagine what i will do if I listen to the Gakuoh.... |
MatthewC 正式會員 206.xxx.xxx.34 |
2006-10-10 08:24 |
| [#105] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! I would also love to hear the Horning speakers!!! If you guys wish, I can try to get the Shindo Sinhonia or even the 300B PP and see how they compare with Gakuoh when driving Horning speakers like the setup reviewed in 6moon. To me Shindo amps sound very 'Buddhist' and Kondo, very 'Taoist' |
F2aYeung 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.157 |
2006-10-10 12:04 |
| [#106] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! That will profound. I have the highest regard to both Shindo and Kondo. A direct A/B between the two must be such an enlightenment. F2aYeung hing, your Buddhist and Taoist comment is very interesting. I can never decide which camp I am in. To me, the Shindo sounded more refined, restraint and ultimately, "scholarly" if there is such a thing. Kondo is more intensely beautiful, and passionate. I can relax and read a book while listening to the Shindo, but I can't with the Kondo. This in beyond which one is better..... and I love both just as much....... I am so.....花心 |
MatthewC 正式會員 206.xxx.xxx.34 |
2006-10-10 13:30 |
| [#107] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Dear F2a, Agree with your Buddhist/Taoist analogy on Shindo/Kondo. Shindo sounds gentle, comfortable, smooth; Kondo bright, detailed, fast. IMHO, either the Sinhonia or the 300PP are too powerful for horn speakers, some SE amps are more likely to succeed. Billtube |
Billtube 正式會員 57.xxx.xxx.247 |
2006-10-10 14:47 |
| [#108] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! MatthewC hing, In fact your description is exactly what I feel Shindo is more 安祥, 平和 Kondo is more 飄逸 like 仙樂飄飄 |
F2aYeung 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.157 |
2006-10-10 14:51 |
| [#109] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Any one knows the difference between Kondo M77 and M7 preamp. I read some say prefer M7 to M77 because it was made by Kondo. and the M77 is not? |
Mussolini 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.141 |
2006-11-06 19:00 |
| [#110] Ongaku - I am NOT the only one in pain! We should welcome JC to the Ongaku ownership club. I am sure a M77 is on it's way to JC's place, if not a M1000. Dunno if Peter hing is still lurking around here, but it's been more then two months since we heard any news on Peter's Gakuoh. Peter, any comments on your Gakuoh? Have you retubed them w/ NOS WE 300B's yet? |
MatthewC 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.125 |
2006-12-22 08:20 |
| [#111] Ongaku - I am NOT the only one in pain! Please, let me join you guys, all the big brothers! Thank you MatthewC for letting me join the Club!  |
JCR33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.83 |
2006-12-22 08:44 |
| [#112] Ongaku - I am NOT the only one in pain! A Swiss is selling his Ongaku bought in 2004. http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1171876843 |
JCR33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.105 |
2006-12-23 21:11 |
| [#113] Ongaku - I am NOT the only one in pain! A pile of Shindo gears also available in Audiogon. The pair of 300B Limited monoblock disappeared right away. |
F2aYeung 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.137 |
2006-12-24 09:56 |
| [#114] Ongaku - I am NOT the only one in pain! My Torrid Love Affair With The Ongaku! Steve Rochlin Ya know, it took me two days just to come up with that title. After all, what kinda kook buys an integrated amplifier instead of a home to live in... literally?! And why does such an amplifier transcend time and space in such a way as to make even the most die hard naysayers concede to its seduction? Furthermore, how do ya tell your mom you bought audio exotica instead of a home?!?!?! Enter into my fantasy world, where you too might find yourself being seduced by the music. After reading a review in a UK based magazine about the Audio Note Oto, i decided to buy it. It was a few grand, and my other amps were getting kinda old anyway. So off goes a call to Leonard Norwitz, Audio Note’s USA distributor at the time. At the end of the conversation i told ‘em that the Ongaku is really what i’d like but... SH’ YEAH, me and my big mouth. Leonard was waxing lyrically of how good the Ongaku is. Leonard, being the cool dude he is, sent me some literature. You could just hear how he truly loved the Ongaku for musical reasons. Being unsure of spending this kinda fundage on an amplifier, some reassurance from a local close friend of mine — we’ll call ‘Jim’ — was in order. Now Jim was a music lover himself. When i mentioned the Ongaku he said "Ongakwhat?". It took a while to explain it to him. Now Jim is one of my closest, dearest, most kindest dudes i know who loves music. Sure, he himself delves deeply into this hobby. He listened patiently then asked a few questions. Things were going great until he asked "Well, how many watts is it?" Now you tell me, how does one explain that you’re gonna buy a piece of gear instead of a home, let alone one with only 27 watts per channel? "Twenty seven watts!" Jim exclaimed. Nowadays, 27 watts is a lot in single-ended land, but this was way before single-ended stuff was really known here in America as mainstream high-end audio. To make a long story short, i bought it sound unheard, though i did make sure i could return it just in case! So that magical day came. Like a kid on Christmas morning i opened her up. After sorting through things and setting it up i was ready. "Ooooh!" i said as those big GE VT4C (211) tubes light up, like a really cool night light. Truly mesmerizing. At first listen it sounded really good; not totally awesome, but really good. Still was kinda depressed because it was just not ‘happening’. For what now costs 90 grand, this thing should make me sit up and beg for more! Called Leonard to tell him the Ongaku arrived safely, worked, and stuff. Leonard said to me that it takes about 10 days of nonstop music for a ticket to happyville. Well, dunno about you, but instant gratification is on my list. Ok, so the 10 days passed... Seemed more like forever. Time to sit down and put on one of my favorite recordings (Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon). Hmmm... Ok, now let’s try some classical music. This was, by now, a Saturday night. There’s a ritual we got here on Sunday mornings. That is to play Chesky’s recording of O Magnum Mysterium. It was during this recording it all made sense to me. Though this music is spiritual, for the first time was truly spiritual. One could feel the hall. The way the pipe organ filled the hall with its presence placed about 45 feet behind the choir. Sure the music sounded good before the Ongaku, but not like this. It was as if they were there to the extent that even the feelings of the performance transcended the recording and into my home. This was my first deeply spiritual experience with reproduced music... But not my last. Time and time again, the Ongaku gives all who partake the feeling of being there. Awestruck, i called Jim to tell him the good news. Jim was skeptical. So he played one CD after another, not giving me any clue as to what he was feeling. After he was done, he turned to me and said "It’s amazing Steve." i replied "Yeah, it is." The glow on my face was like the glow of the Ongaku’s output tubes. Sure, my music reproduction system has had solid state units galore, other tube designs, and even some hybrids. But just one good listen to the Ongaku and you’re hooked like a junkie. It’s more than the way it soundstages, which is quite good. It’s more than its speed, which is faster then a Ferrari F50. Its transparency... the way it reproduces music … is just that good. Remember how you felt after your first time making love? That deeper satisfaction that just defies words? Or if you’re nuts like me, remember your first, er, um, LSD trip? Ah, the stupidity of youth! Anyway, it’s awe inspiring. There’s just more there there, ya know? For weeks folks came from around the State to hear it. Each time they left with the look of higher enlightenment on their faces. If there’s one component capable of deeply satisfying your audio erotica — er, um, exotica — it’s the Ongaku. The way massed violins are reproduced is unlike anything else i’ve ever heard, except during live music performances. One can not only "see" the musicians, you can feel the way the string vibrated the body of the instrument. Being a percussionist myself, we just have to discuss the way it reproduces the recording of the All-Star Percussion Ensemble (Golden Strings GS CD005). Ya see, the vibraphone is a very hard instrument to reproduce, in my humble opinion. There are overtones, various phasing of the tones as the sound is allowed to pass through the lower pipes, or not pass through the pipes. So how did the Ongaku do? Startlingly well. This was the first time i felt that there was actually a vibraphone in my listening room! So all is well and good — but can she rock?!?!? Being a big Rush fan myself, it was time to hear the album Moving Pictures and crank the volume to 11!!! YEP, it rocked SOLID, while my neighbors went for their guns! Sure, all the above is just an unadulterated, no-holds-barred glowing report, yet i haven’t even discussed how music on vinyl sounds. Ok, well, just imagine all the above and add to it. Even now, as i need to sell it due to personal financial situations, my girlfriend even wants to keep it. Yeah, she has heard other toys in my system, but she always seems to say something like "Well Steve, that new amp here for review is nice, but can we put the Ongaku back where it belongs now?" Even she’s hooked!!! How many of you can say that about a piece of your equipment? Well, now comes the negatives. More power. Sure, there’s the Audio Note Gako-On, which is roughly double the power of the Ongaku. SH’YEAH, if you got $250,000 gathering dust. Still, i’ve actually heard the Gaku-On, though not in my system. Didn’t like it. Not as transparent as the Ongaku used in the same system, to my ears. i’d still like a bit more transparency too. When i bought the Ongaku the standard rectifier tubes were the Mullard GZ34’s. Now standard is the Mullard CV378. Gotta agree, the CV378’s are more transparent, yet they also take away some of the dynamics. Choose your poison. The Ongaku is a 90 pound beast! Thank goodness little to no real maintenance has been needed over the past two years. The only other gripe i have is that i really wish it was — well — more attractive. Maybe some nice Italian wood side pieces? C’mon, for 90 grand this thing should not only seduce you audibly, but also visually too! As i read through the previous Positive Feedback review of the Ongaku (Volume 5, Number 1), it doesn’t amaze me that the reviewers still loved it, even with the bad buzzing. Since that review, Audio Note had added a few dB of feedback and some other minor modifications. May i humbly suggest you ask — no, DEMAND — that if you buy the Ongaku they take those few dB of feedback out of it. These few dB of feedback are claimed by Audio Note to help the amp and... Still, i hated it. For 90 grand i believe that no feedback should be accomplished. Sure, this paragraph might make Peter Q. of Audio Note write me a nasty letter. i don’t mind. C’mon Peter, even you can hear the difference between the few dB standard and the zero dB that should be there — or not there, shall we say. Taking away those few dB really opens up the soundstage to give a clearer picture into the music. Also, the instrument tonality is taken to a higher level. The Ongaku Positive Feedback had probably had zero feedback in it. So what more can i say? With the Ongaku you get a preamplifier with one direct input, three standard inputs, and a tape loop as well. No XLR balanced inputs, no fancy lights (other then the tubes themselves). You get pounds and pounds of silver and one heck of a workout when you move it. Though when you play music through it in the right system, your rewards are many. Give me Ongaku or give me death! |
JCR33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.48 |
2006-12-26 11:57 |
| [#115] Ongaku - I am NOT the only one in pain! ＞More power. Sure, there’s the Audio Note Gako-On, which is roughly double the power of the Ongaku. SH’YEAH, if you got $250,000 gathering dust. Still, i’ve actually heard the Gaku-On, though not in my system. Didn’t like it. Not as transparent as the Ongaku used in the same system, to my ears. i’d still like a bit more transparency too. According to the Chinese magazine, there is a new model 'Shinden' 神殿 which is supposed to be a replacement of Gakuon. |
F2aYeung 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.212 |
2006-12-27 11:27 |
| [#116] Ongaku - I am NOT the only one in pain! I thought Shinden is either anniversary edition or memorial of the late Kondo-sama, and is a one-off, limited production run. Not sure if it's direct replacement of Gakuon. In any case, I am content w/ my Ongaku, if not itching for the Gakuoh 300B P-P :-) |
MatthewC 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.32 |
2006-12-28 13:05 |
| [#117] Ongaku - I am NOT the only one in pain! How about Kegon? Not sure about the new Kegon but I was told by a high hand the core material of the old Kegon is different from the other silverformer amps like Ongaku,Gakuon.. which makes it the best sounding Kondo amp ever Below are the articles in the Chinese magazine http://www.new-audiophile.com/main.php?s=new 【封面故事】 33 以精巧手z、漫癭打造的音矸/品--Kondo / V英智 39 血蒍正的“Kondo之臐 / V英智 42 N=的鬘@界 / V英智 47 一位安Y但不凡的天才一近滕公康 / V英智 |
F2aYeung 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.208 |
2006-12-28 14:13 |
| [#118] Ongaku - I am NOT the only one in pain! Happy New Year to all Ongaku users and lovers! |
MatthewC 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.179 |
2007-01-01 00:02 |
| [#119] Ongaku - I am NOT the only one in pain! Yes, Happy Happy New Year to all!  |
JCR33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.187 |
2007-01-01 07:24 |
| [#120] Ongaku - I am NOT the only one in pain! Hi Mat and friends,I'm sorry for out of the loop for 2 months cause I've been fighting with the Horning speakers with the Kondo Gakuoh and the Ongaku, to my surprise, they sound so different when compared to the ART. Now, I'm still finding good footers for the Horning and a good platform for the Gakuoh. More surprise, the HRS M3 platform may not be a good match for Kondo. By the way, there is a Hong Kong Tour piece written by Srajan of the 6moons describing his visit to HK in last NOV ,he has different insight on the type of music he loves and thus influence his taste on what's call good system sound. |
ptsang 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.69 |
2007-01-01 15:45 |
