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[#121] 古CD機同好會 aliu, as far as i know, all cd-100's should be the same in terms of specs, functions and appearance. are you sure the 110V version you mentioned was made for some markets like the us or japan? or was it only modified from 220V for such markets? anyway, if you really decide to buy it, please ask Philips or an experienced electronic expert to change the voltage to 220V as i think this is possible, should be easily done and preferred for better performance.		mikelee 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.155	2005-06-24 16:00

[#122] 古CD機同好會
hello mike,

the cd-100 is from the usa so it's 110V. right now, i don't have a lot of detail on the machine...

aliu

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203.xxx.xxx.7

2005-06-24 16:41

[#123] 古CD機同好會
aliu,

Hope you can get it. It looks very good and it is probably one of the best sounding first-generation CD players!

mikelee

正式會員
202.xxx.xxx.93

2005-06-25 09:37

[#124] 古CD機同好會
覺得如何, 有無聽過呢部機 ?

alexhifi

正式會員
218.xxx.xxx.217

2005-06-25 15:25

[#125] 古CD機同好會
20 kg 重, 重過你部前級, 拍得住你部後級 ?

alexhifi

正式會員
218.xxx.xxx.217

2005-06-25 15:26

[#126] 古CD機同好會
alexhifi,

它是你的CD機嗎?這款機在哪年推出?為何它這麼重?你是否認為CD機越重越好?

mikelee

正式會員
202.xxx.xxx.24

2005-06-25 21:32

[#127] 古CD機同好會
想請問 TDA1541 可以用 TDA1541A 或者 TDA1541AS1 代替嗎?

*DIY*

正式會員
221.xxx.xxx.85

2005-06-25 21:34

[#128] 古CD機同好會
Mike,

Nice to know that you love old CDPs..

Some audiophiles once told me that as old CDPs (circa 1980s) could not pick up the highest and lowest signal frequencies and so their sounding was better than many modern, hi-end CDPs. This saying seems most interesting but puzzled to me at a time.

Could you comment on this bit? :)

rcwy

正式會員
221.xxx.xxx.250

2005-06-25 21:42

[#129] 古CD機同好會
My biggest concern is enjoying music through the best medium that I can afford and feel comfortable with.

For every step forward in the development of sound reproducing technology from the very beginning, people have been enjoying their favourite music with their affordable tools that were available at different times. They would say their tools were the best around. But what is the best? Different individuals may have different or even diverse answers.

When we see what's going on now, can we dare to say SACD, DVD-Audio or other so-called advanced technology is the final way for us to appreciate music in its highest fidelity? I also doubt we can enjoy music whole-heartedly with a mind to seek the next big thing all the time.

I'm not persuading people to ignore the fact that some media do sound better. And I'm not asking people not to persue them. If this is what I mean, I just disregard the importance of improvement. However, can we take it a little easier?

The best and normal sound transmitting medium should be air molecules. The best listening way is through direct acoustic channel from the sound source. The perceived result is the real thing to the listeners. Only the reproducing media which are able to help listeners get the exactly same result can be claimed with the highest fidelity.

But I don't think we can get 100% in fidelity through the process from sound recording to reproduction. But should we refuse to listen to music under the circumstance?

So even though the early CD players may cut some high and low frequencies, I don't reject them for their "low fidelity". To my ears, at least some of them sound nice and as a result I can surely enjoy my favourite music with them more than the new and sophisticated Hi-End equipment that I may feel uncomfortable with.

Besides, is it really matter much and so crucial to have a chance to hear all those high and low frequencies? Is it really that important to hear some particular subtle ambient sounds? I believe that is another matter which could be interesting and challenging to deal with.

Once again, to me, I only want to listen to music comfortably to my ears. Frankly, I don't really know what it really sounds like at the time and space that the recordings were made. That experiences are so limited to the audience and some personel related to the recordings. I believe we can only imagine what it should sound like. But how close the imagination to the actual cases depends on our listening experiences in concert halls, recording studios, etc. I suppose most of the people are not very experienced...

Anyway, I know this message is already pretty long. I don't want to drag on. In short, I like what I hear from my vintage gear. I guess Richard and many others would like to listen to music with their vintage gear than the modern ones too. Also, we may all think vintage equipment do have similar sonic characteristics. It's surely interesting to see how the different makes and models sound differently and why so. :)

I suggest we can treat our audio reproduction affection these ways: 1. Seek the reproduced sound best to our ears for music appreciation and enjoyment; 2. Try to approach the real Hi-Fi peak for fun and alternative satisfaction.

All in all, I do love my old (and maybe handicapped!) machines which keep me happy with music everyday! Haha! :P

mikelee

正式會員
202.xxx.xxx.24

2005-06-25 23:31

[#130] 古CD機同好會
想請問 TDA1541 可以用 TDA1541A 或者 TDA1541AS1 代替嗎?

*DIY*,

在等待高手回應你這問題時,你可以看看以下的文件自己研究一下先:

TDA1541: http://alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/PHILIPS/TDA1541/datasheet.pdf

TDA1541A: http://alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/PHILIPS/TDA1541A/datasheet.pdf

TDA1541A/N2/S1: http://alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/PHILIPS/TDA1541A/N2/S1/datasheet.pdf

mikelee

正式會員
202.xxx.xxx.24

2005-06-25 23:54

[#131] 古CD機同好會
PD-95=PD T-09?

机佬

正式會員
219.xxx.xxx.210

2005-06-26 09:59

[#132] 古CD機同好會
PD-95 is 110V? If yes, maybe it's USA verison of PD-T09.

Monster

正式會員
203.xxx.xxx.75

2005-06-26 12:19

[#133] 古CD機同好會
公開的話題二:古CD機的壽命!

你的古CD機還健在嗎?

如是,它年事多少?

如否,有何問題呢?有得救嗎?

如已壽終正寢,壽命多長?你懷念它嗎?為什麼?

(希望這話題不會為你帶來不安,祝閣下的現役古CD機長唱長有! :P)

mikelee

正式會員
202.xxx.xxx.17

2005-06-26 12:44

[#134] 古CD機同好會
I have the following listed CDP and still alive (Working in perfect condition).
1. Philip CD850MKII (1992)
2. Pioneer PD-T07 (1992)
3. Sony AX-7ES (1996)

Monster

正式會員
203.xxx.xxx.75

2005-06-26 12:55

[#135] 古CD機同好會
I have some oldies
1. Akai cd93
2. Akai Cd73
3. Philips CD880
4. Esoteric P700

CD93 is my beloved and it sounds real great.

leojar

正式會員
203.xxx.xxx.20

2005-06-26 17:28

[#136] 古CD機同好會
This is a very good discussion!
I am very open minded on this - vintage and modern stuff. Old stuff may not have the ultimate resolution as the modern 24/192 players but a lot of them have a smooth and warmer character that the new ones don't have. Japanese love to use Studer A730 to match their JBL and Tannoys must have with reasons.
Old players are often over engineered when the technolgy was not so mature. You look at the old Philips CDM1 to CDM4 and you will see. Old D/A and op amp chips are also made in better quality controlled countries and better material are used (ceramic sealed and gold connection inside). For example, the NE5534 used in Meridien PRO are about the same vintage ones that MBL hand selected them to build their first generation 6010 preamp and that gives them a very warm sound. Old CDP can definitely benefit in technolgy that were not discovered in early 80s and 90s, e.g. better clock and importance of PSU, use of OSCONs and blackgates, vibration damping, etc.
New CDP are just animal from another world, in brief, they are more like computers than hifi (high speed DSP in digital domain and it is all firmware and software). While it may succeed in the long run, but much has to be explored. And to me, support and service is always an issue as there are just too often contract work done by outside.
There are 2 things I have learnt :
1. Don't ever expect to buy one SACD player and it will play well for both SACD and CD, regardless of price. One has to be compromised and very often it is the CD sound.
2. I enjoy listening live music in old City Hall than the newer Culture center, and prefer Tsuen Wan to Shatin. These places give me a warmer and more comfortable sound. In fact, the resolution there is much worse than canned music at home...

yukclee

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203.xxx.xxx.42

2005-06-26 18:16

[#137] 古CD機同好會
PD-T09是100V.

机佬

正式會員
219.xxx.xxx.148

2005-06-26 19:28

[#138] 古CD機同好會
yukclee,

Thanks for your insight! I can't agree more. :)

You mentioned Meridian PRO. Which PRO model does it refer to?

You said, "Old CDP can definitely benefit in technolgy that were not discovered in early 80s and 90s." Do you mean "Old CDP definitely canNOT benefit..."?

Your point about the resemblance of modern CDP's to computers is quite interesting. I know there are quite many people (especially youngsters) using computer to play music under the overwhelming trend of downloaded music. But if we use the new CDP's, the result may be in the same scope. Of course, the standalone ultra-computerized CDP's should be at higher quality! :P

Regarding SACD and its players, I've heard so many negative responses. It's too bad that I haven't had any chance to hear or even compare SACD with CD seriously. But the noises should be with some grounds; otherwise, there shouldn't be so many bad sayings. What really happens? Is it only another hype for its highly profitable potential with the hope to enlarge and widen the markets with probably not-yet-mature-enough technology in the poor commercial audio software and even hardware business atmosphere?

About live music venues, I haven't listened to music in Hong Kong for a long time. And my memory just fails to let me access the pros and cons of different venues. I can only say that the sound of the Grand Auditorium of Macao Cultural Centre is far from satisfactory, especially for orchestral music... :P

mikelee

正式會員
202.xxx.xxx.187

2005-06-26 22:10

[#139] 古CD機同好會
leojar,

I seldom hear of Akai CDP's. Can you send us a photo of your beloved CD93? Can you give us more ideas about its sound? Thanks!

mikelee

正式會員
202.xxx.xxx.187

2005-06-26 22:17

[#140] 古CD機同好會
其中一款今時今日罕見的古CD機:

mikelee

正式會員
202.xxx.xxx.187

2005-06-26 22:22

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