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[#16] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
From reviews all over the world since early 70s:-

LP12 not as good as EMT
ditto not a good as Goldmund Reference and Studio
ditto not as good as Basis
ditto not as good as Micro
ditto not as good as Rockport
ditto not as good as VPI
ditto not as good as clearaudio
ditto not as good as garrad 301 and 401
ditto not as good as thoren 124
ditto not as good as Sota
ditto not as good as Pink triangle
ditto not as good as Orbe and Gyro
ditto not as good as SP10
ditto not as good as Roksan
ditto not as good as SME

the list could go on ........

But LP12 still survives extremely well in 2010. You judge


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mda
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[#17] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
余師傅佢好好人,X2
dannylo
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2010-07-22 00:15
[#18] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
"""But LP12 still survives extremely well in 2010. You judge"""

no doubt LP12 is a very commercially successful product as the basic design has not changed over the years.

good or bad is very subjective. simply using produced numbers may mean nothing. u can say toyota sells a lot of cars but is it a better car than a limited production of ferrari?

or microsoft windows sold a lot of copies but is it the best operating system?

talking about turntables one has to consider tonearms and cartridges. even if you put in a wrong tonearm and a bad or unmatched cartridge u still get crappy sound.




cpu8088
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2010-07-22 06:19
[#19] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
simply using produced numbers may mean nothing. u can say toyota sells a lot of cars but is it a better car than a limited production of ferrari?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The Linn's sale vloume is self-explanatory and it is market driven with such a good product. A bad product with good marketing may fool the consumers at first but surely it cannot fool the mass public for 40 years.

Toyota has produced good cars within his objecives. Although the Japanese does not produce high profile exotic cars as frequently as Ferrani, it does not mean that Toyota is inferior and cannot make the exotic versions to meet the market demands. In fact, the Japanese has produced many super cars to match ferrari. Brandname wise, the performance is as good as the Ferrari too. On the other hand, I bet Ferrani wants to get the same market share as Toyota / Nissan if the dreams come true.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

talking about turntables one has to consider tonearms and cartridges. even if you put in a wrong tonearm and a bad or unmatched cartridge u still get crappy sound.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It is a "ABC" knowledge when playing LP disregarding which turntables owned, let alone
the experience LP12 users.
mda
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2010-07-22 09:23
[#20] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
"""Toyota has produced good cars within his objecives"""

similarly Linn produced LP12 within its objectives. Very basic although over that many years modifications have been done.

"""It is a "ABC" knowledge """

of course it is. any sifu would have mentioned that when quoting turntables. so whats your point of quoting a list of names and without naming which areas better than linn lp12? and hows the new lp12 selling now? there are lots of old ones available in the market for sale. and why the owners are selling LP12 if it is so good?


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[#21] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
is LP12 a good TT? large number of LP12 sold in the past 40 years, it is very unlikely a bad product can last that long and sold for such large volume.

are there any better choices? there are always better choices, depends on how much u wish to spend. And of course how do u like ur music sounds. If u like quiet, clean, 3D, powerful and detailed sound, there are hundreds of TTs in the market do better than LP12(in fact CD could do better at a lower cost if u want all these characters).

If u like juicy and full-bodied sound, it is hard to overlook LP12.

LP12's design maybe simple,(looks like a toy when compares to modern TT from clearaudio or transrotor, kuzma ....etc just to name a few), but is effective enough for me to enjoy music. And it looks good too(with the right plinth) :)

However, I am not so fond of the new SE version, IMHO, HKD1xxxxx for such design is absolutely robbery.

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2010-07-22 09:53
[#22] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
there are always hundreds of Mercedes Benz c-class, e-class...etc selling on 28car.com, this doesn't mean MB makes bad cars.

I have never seen a Pro-ject Essential TT selling in the R33 2nd hand market, that doesn't mean this is the best TT in the universe.

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[#23] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
of course it is. any sifu would have mentioned that when quoting turntables. so whats your point of quoting a list of names and without naming which areas better than linn lp12? and hows the new lp12 selling now? there are lots of old ones available in the market for sale. and why the owners are selling LP12 if it is so good?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

These are reviews done by various hifi magazines in the last 30 years. LP12 is/ was always a benchmark to compare with the new comers in the same fideity level.

In the good old days without internet, I used to buy about 10 hifi magazines for reading including the pocket size TAS, Sterophile, hifi news, hifi answers and the local one etc.. In most reviews, the reviewers always concluded that the new comers were better than LP12 in many aspects but somehow these better products are no longer existed except Linn. You can start your research from internet should you need more information (if available) or conversely to buy the old mag from ebay for your necessary reference. The writings by the famous reviewers in the old days of TAS/ hifi news/ stereophile are valuable and could do you more good than harm.

You should do more research on LP12 and see why people's selling or regret their decisions to sell. One major thing is that although the basic design of LP12 has remained the same since its birth and claimed to be upgradable, unfortunately some minor details cannot be upgraded. By accumulating these minor details with minor improvements, the new LP12 is sounding better than the old one with all upgrades available by Linn.

Furthermore if you do not own any LP12 in your hifi journey, it is impossible and viable to tell you how charm the product is. Such charm could not be read by internet searching. Tough.

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[#24] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
LP 12都賣左咁內,一定有佢實力及價值,至於你話鐘唔鐘意LP 12.............就等於你愛豬扒我愛美女.哈哈
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2010-07-22 10:37
[#25] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
我用左lp12都快一年, 到現在都很滿意...
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2010-07-22 10:47
[#26] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
咸魚青菜各有所好, 那些不喜愛LP12無論我地怎講, 他們也不會buy, 但相反我地這些LP12 fans, 就算d人點講, 我地都鐘情变, 會轉軑的, 呢d係好主觀嘅!
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2010-07-22 11:28
[#27] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
其实我玩左4年,想轉幾次,最後唔捨得。
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2010-07-22 11:40
[#28] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
lots of mercedez in 2nd hand market is because owners do not want to foot escalating repair bills.

my point was trying to show numbers sold does not equate to good products.

here we are talking about the 最好 not just 好.

the 最好 is the one and only one. are there other products surpass it? if so it is not the 最好.
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2010-07-22 17:45
[#29] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
"""You should do more research on LP12 and see why people's selling or regret their decisions to sell. One major thing is that although the basic design of LP12 has remained the same since its birth and claimed to be upgradable, unfortunately some minor details cannot be upgraded."""

any upgrade will mean a fault in previous design and admission of mistakes.

"""By accumulating these minor details with minor improvements, the new LP12 is sounding better than the old one with all upgrades available by Linn."""

advertising always claim that. it will never say new model worse than old. another fault admission. lol

cpu8088
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[#30] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
what makes u think reviewers are reliable? their ears not equivalent to mine and my taste of music.

i dont buy and seldom read magazines except visit their websites for photos and check any innovative ideas.
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2010-07-22 17:54
[#31] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
我地唔係講緊"他心中最好"嗎? 冇人有資格講人家的心中最好吧!
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2010-07-22 19:44
[#32] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
>>>>any upgrade will mean a fault in previous design and admission of mistakes.

this is logical. and is quite applicable on LP12 :P

but the "faulty old design" is not necessarily sounds less attractive than the new one, quite a few LP12 users hate the new sound(SE version) which is more "accurate", "clean", "neutral" according to some.....but if I want these I will get a Transrotor/Clearaudio/acoustic signature.....etc
rover901
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2010-07-22 20:10
[#33] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
余師傅心痛地說以前HIFI 廠家大多老實,產品大都是一分錢一分貨!但現在動輒+多廿萬,但竟然是八分錢一分貨.......

而XERXES 和 LP12有三+多年曆史,不斷更生,價錢大部份人可承担,是一分錢三分貨.......

為何無XERXES用家??
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2010-07-22 20:13
[#34] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
Rega should be one of a few 有良心廠家. Roy Gandy has no intention to jump on the bandwagon of setting a factory in China. Humbly made in South End of England by hand. Their turntable should be one of the legend in the industry. But don't know how it compares with the Linn or Roksan.

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2010-07-22 20:38
[#35] 余師傅說他心中最好的LP 盤---Roksan Xerxes 和 Linn LP12.....    
"""我地唔係講緊"他心中最好"嗎? 冇人有資格講人家的心中最好吧!"""

he is entitled to his opinion. same as ours we have our own opinion. otherwise the world will be too boring.

same situation as with actors/actresses u can vote your favourites as the best but not necessarily agree with general public.

or in case of voting your government the one who got majority votes may not be the best.

cpu8088
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