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| [#109] Linn LP12 Fans dear tk, how much did HK Linn charge for the plinth chnage? I understand thatthe price of a trampolin in UK is 140 pounds, and plinth at around 230 pounds, I wonder if HK Linn will charge too much |
rover901 正式會員202.xxx.xxx.46 |
2007-08-08 14:15 | |
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| [#110] Linn LP12 Fans TK, It depends how you define what the plinth is. I understand the wooden plinth alone is not available on the price list. The plinth they called may likely include chassis, bearing, motor and armboard. Rover910, The wooden plinth you saw on eBay (I suppose) occasionally is never mentioned as Linn original nor OEM. It is sold from individual seller other than Linn. Otherwise, I suspect the real wood plinth alone will cost more than GBP600 if original from Linn. |
dkyyu 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.23 |
2007-08-08 14:23 |
| [#111] Linn LP12 Fans Any RW33 friends will visit the 2007 HK HIGH-END AUDIO VISUAL SHOW ( the one at Conventional Center ) I heard the news from the distributor that the Linn staff will come to the show this year and he is the staff who worked for Linn more than 20 years and is an expert on setting up LP12. I will go to visit their room and share his experience. Of course listen the new LP12 set up. |
Toooochi 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.215 |
2007-08-08 19:52 |
| [#112] Linn LP12 Fans Toooochi, yes I'll be going to the show. Hope to hear what the "official" LP12 should sound like :-). Dennis, Thanks for your enlightening. May be I can find out the truth from one of the UK dealers. |
tkchan 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.62 |
2007-08-08 23:36 |
| [#113] Linn LP12 Fans dear dennis, the one on ebay is 135 pounds, DIY, self made, looks nice. but not linn original. the one I mentioned(230 pounds) is original linn parts from UK Linn authorised dealer, suggested by UK Linn LP12 user in the pink fish media audio forum(someone claimed to have his plinth changed at this price). HK dealer charge HK LP12 user for GBP600??? Maybe I just order one from UK directly. Maybe you think I am crazy, even it is made by Linn, but I still don't think a simple wooden plinth worth more than 300UKP,:P |
rover901 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.52 |
2007-08-09 09:48 |
| [#114] Linn LP12 Fans Dear Rover901, I did not get the plinth alone on the price list so I only suspect it would cost over GBP600 if available by arithmatic: $27000 - circus bearing - motor - arm board - the 12" cast platter - cover etc. The GBP600 is a wild guess, so please don't it seriously. I still wonder Linn would supply the plinth as spare because it would take quite a big effort to put the plinth and stainless steel plate in place together if outside their factory in EKOS (Scotland in French, as they name their tonearm). To ensure you are buying genuine Linn product, I suggest you ask for their Linn packing and serial number, otherwise, you would be buying non-QC product or simply DIY again. I understand all genuine Linn spares have proper Linn packing with serial number. Be careful |
dkyyu 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.23 |
2007-08-09 10:29 |
| [#115] Linn LP12 Fans Just for discussion. I used to write to UK Linn Hotline for records or spare, they would simply turn down your request and refer your request to your local dealer. You can find their Hotline under Linn web-site. Why not calling Precision Audio in Central for more detail? If GBP230 is really the price and Linn really willing to offer plinth alone as spare, I guess Precision would charge similarly. I didn't find it on the usual price list but it does not mean Precision Audio wouldn't try it for LP12 user as special service. |
dkyyu 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.23 |
2007-08-09 10:40 |
| [#116] Linn LP12 Fans Dear Rover901, I haven't asked the HK agent for the price of the plinth alone so what Dennis quoted was probably a wild guess. Anyway, I can get more information from a UK dealer who may be willing to find out. What I understand is that some of the dealers did get the plinth to replace the damaged one for their customers. However, in that case, the original serial number of the TT will no more be valid. The previous LP 12 I got has the rosewood plinth and it is a replacement. The seller did show me the original Linn packing box for the plinth. Dennis is right in pointing out that replacement of the plinth may need some dedicated "craftmanship" and the work is recommended to be done by a Linn dealer. From my observation, however, the work is less complicated than servicing the tonearm or set up of the balance of the TT. It is a possible DIY job but most probably not approved by Dennis, ha ha. There is an ebay UK seller who makes his own plinth to fit the LP12 as well as a few Thoren models but I don't recommend it although it may be cheaper. |
tkchan 正式會員 59.xxx.xxx.46 |
2007-08-09 10:56 |
| [#117] Linn LP12 Fans One of my friends, who had worked for Radford Hi-Fi (official Linn dealer but now defunct) at Bristol in England many years ago, bought the plinth from eBay last year. He got the plinth changed (new suspension and new motor) by his previous workmate, a Linn trained engineer for thirty years, who also set up the turntable for him. I have borrowed and listened to it for 2 weeks so I have actually had a close encounter of the plinth. The appearance and the built of the plinth were fantastic but I am not sure if it sounded better or worse than the original when I compared it with mind as the cartridges, arms and power supplies were all different from my turntables as well. But it certainly looked far superior as it was sitting side by side with mine. I think it is very good value and can be considered as an alternative for someone who is looking for a replacement plinth. It may not be original and sound different but who cares. I just love its look. |
kcc123 正式會員 88.xxx.xxx.204 |
2007-08-09 11:06 |
| [#118] Linn LP12 Fans When I changed the Linn's AC motor to Origin Live DC motor, I had to dismantle the whole turntable and reassemble it. I did not find any difficulties at all. The most time consuming part was the re- tuning of its suspension. So changing a new plinth, I think, does not appear to be a daunting challenge to anyone with DIY experience and common sense. |
kcc123 正式會員 88.xxx.xxx.204 |
2007-08-09 11:27 |
| [#119] Linn LP12 Fans Dear kcc The most difficult part is mounting the stainless steel plate to the wooden plinth requiring some special tool in Linn factory I suppose. I once saw their technicians using a two feet long big screw driver rod to tighten the screws. Just my opinion. The DC motor will change and alter the nature of original Linn sound. Some like it in DC manner and some would probably not. The choice of AC or DC motor mostly go back to the designer's fundamental concept. Changing to DC motor would most probably changing the tonal balance of Sondek. So anyone who wishes to try DC motor please take note of this concern Alternatively, for those who are looking for more from Sondek, may I suggest to look for Naim's power supply (providing it is still in production) or simply go for the Lingo. May I also suggest that, whichever way you do, please put the circus bearing on as the first priority. Do enjoy the LP12 quality. It is a legend . |
dkyyu 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.23 |
2007-08-09 11:59 |
| [#120] Linn LP12 Fans Dear kcc, I am curious about the result of the comparison between original AC and DC like Origin Live. changing plinth is definitely not a problem to any experienced LP12 lover like dennis hing or anyone in this post(maybe except me), I wouldn't mind to let HK dealer to chnage it for me if the cost is included in the price of the plinth :P |
rover901 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.52 |
2007-08-09 12:37 |
| [#121] Linn LP12 Fans kcc123, do you mean your friend bought the OEM plinth, not the original from Linn? Actually that ebay guy who makes his own plinth for sale said he can make the plinth to the exact Linn dimension by order but those he puts on sale in ebay are of a slightly larger size. |
tkchan 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.176 |
2007-08-09 23:48 |
| [#122] Linn LP12 Fans Hi tkchan, Yes, I was talking about the OEM plinth offering from eBay. It is slightly bigger but more substantial built than the original Linn plinth and as a result it is also quite a bit heavier. The bottom cover is made of wood, instead of fibre board, where there are adjustable feet to level the turntable. There are different wood finishes to choose from and my friend has chosen the cherry similar to the one that pete 7013 has. |
kcc123 正式會員 88.xxx.xxx.204 |
2007-08-10 06:35 |
| [#123] Linn LP12 Fans Hi rover901, At the beginning, I was suspicious that a power supply would do much to the performance of a turntable if the speed of it was already stable, but not until I listened to the Lingo and soon later the Origin Live DC motor with Advanced switch box on an early version of the Linn. I was startled by the improved sonic performance, offered by the DC motor, which surpassed both the Valhalla and Lingo LP12 used for comparison. The first thing I noticed was its clarity and substantial bass. It was deep, tuneful, and powerful that could kick ass. Its top end was smooth and airy, but the best was its mid range, so open, seductive and expressive, which I had always dreamt for. The Valhalla in comparison sounded metallic in the treble, clinical in the mid and weak and ill defined in the bass. The Lingo fared better in all areas than the Valhalla but still left behind in the bass department. It did not have the bass weight of is competitor and slightly less deep. The mid range of the Lingo was also not as smooth and sweet as the Origin Live but it is more organic, I think. The treble again did not have the extra refined articulation of the Origin Live. The Lingo I got for comparisons was not the latest version so my view and perspective might have been different if I had used the latest one. The cartridges I used in the comparisons comprising of an Audio Technica AT OC9, an AT 33 PTG and a Dynavector 17D mk2. |
kcc123 正式會員 88.xxx.xxx.204 |
2007-08-10 08:39 |
| [#124] Linn LP12 Fans Dear KCC123, In fact I am quite interested in the ebay DIY plinth, which looks nice and priced very reasonable. Is the built quality as good as/better than the original plinth? is there any difference, frankly, between Linn plinth and Ebay plinth? Your comment on Valhalla/lingo and OL ps similar to all comments on the internet/overseas forum....so what ps are you using at the moment? The OL advance? |
rover901 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.46 |
2007-08-10 10:07 |
| [#125] Linn LP12 Fans I think the eBay plinth is better built than the Linn plinth and please see my reply to tkchan. By the way, you might have seen my comments on Audio Asylum about the Origin Live DC motor which I have used a differnt user name. |
kcc123 正式會員 88.xxx.xxx.204 |
2007-08-10 10:23 |
| [#126] Linn LP12 Fans It is actually a modified Advanced. I had borrowed an Ultra speed box from a friend for some time, so I could have inspected and made comparisons with the Advanced prior I made some modifications to it. The differences between them were mainly the use of different grades of capacitors, regulator and diodes in the power supply. I swapped those inferior components with even better ones than the Ultra, and the end result is that the performance of the modified Advanced unit is now superior to the stock Ultra. |
kcc123 正式會員 88.xxx.xxx.204 |
2007-08-10 11:03 |
| [#127] Linn LP12 Fans I am very interested in the modification, in fact I am using a Ultra with upgraded transformer. What kind of improvement does the mod brings? I think I will probably get a ebay plinth....... |
rover901 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.52 |
2007-08-10 11:27 |
| [#128] Linn LP12 Fans I went to the show with TK. Quite good feeling. Not much good sofware bought. I'd spent the early afternoon in Linn's room hearing the keeled LP12 and EKOS SE. Another single piece of keel in silent display asking for $31,000 and another $49,000 for the new EKOS SE. :( The sound of newest flagship neither impress me too much nor TK and I think TK is going to say a few words. The newest flagshop LP12 with Linto phono will now cost over $170,000????? I guess I have to end my upgrade path with Linn. |
dkyyu 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.217 |
2007-08-10 20:48 |
