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[#2457] Linn LP12 Fans    
轉盤下面果3粒螺絲,唯一作用就係調教整個轉盤水平,螺絲扭向上升幾多,轉盤那一點就上升幾多,反之亦然,彈弓壓力不會改變,見到三條彈弓長度不一樣,是因為每點重量(壓力)不一樣!
Kenny6834new
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2024-11-22 15:30
[#2458] Linn LP12 Fans    

Thanks for the input which is much appreciated.

"彈弓壓力不會改變"...Are you sure? The force from the top platter may not change much but technically when you play different weight of a record, 90g, 120g, 180g, 200g. The compressive force has, though very subtle, changed and in turn it will change the compression springs it will store and release energy.

The key is the "Spring Constant". I don't know the data from Linn. However, many LP12 users have been advised to re-calibrate/adjust the springs yearly just to make sure that it is still "constant".

I am not a technician so I won't even dare going to talk about Temperature Effects, Fatigue and Spring Life, Stress Relaxation, Spring Rate and Load vs. Deflection...and so on.

These are science. That said I believe listening to music combined with gears is an art.

It's an art of human input, machines and environment. Each gives different ingredient into this experience.

And times and times again, we argue that it may not necessarily be explained logically with science. Not everything is in need of nominal measurements.

May I quote again " 那一大「抽」嘢的重心升高 x mm 後,究竟聲方面會變好、變差、還是不變?
- 答案:很簡單,由發燒友自行去體驗、判斷,過發燒癮 ".



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fotheringay
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2024-11-22 19:12
[#2459] Linn LP12 Fans    
放不同物件在轉盤當然會改變彈弓壓力,因為不同重量嘛,很普通的常識,我只針對扭動螺絲只會改變整「抽」嘢上升或下降而調整轉盤水平,而「不會」改變彈弓壓力,至於聲音變化.. 沒有意見!
Kenny6834new
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2024-11-23 16:25
[#2460] Linn LP12 Fans    
Thanks and understood.

After different interpretations I think we agree that there are some changes but subject to individual's perception.

fotheringay
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2024-11-23 17:08
[#2461] Linn LP12 Fans    

At the end of the day, we all take something from the discussions and I really appreciate it.

To be honest with you I am "Half Full" kind of person when comes to Audiophile world because I don't have enough resources and experience to elaborate all the finest details. Most are being quoted from other sources from the net which I choose to be more objective and evidence based opinion, if any.

I think we should use our gears to enjoy music, and not to disapprove the joy of whole experience of using hardwares and spiritual imaginations.

Watching her from the beginning is like watching your friend's daughter growing up as you were aware her shaping up.

She was shy, overweight but talented young teenager but gradually she became the Las Vegas Diva.

She may not be as fresh and exciting she once was but I am glad I saw her live in Royal Albert Hall.





fotheringay
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2024-11-23 18:01
[#2462] Linn LP12 Fans    
請問一般幾耐需要更換三條彈弓?
另外,大約幾耐需要加bearing油?
micromegamah
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2025-08-15 10:29
[#2463] Linn LP12 Fans    
#2461 like what #2459 said it’s indeed clearly stated on manual of LP12, that the springs are served as suspension and the only thing they do is to level the platter (so that a result like floating), and tighten according to weight distribution of the 3 positions. Any so called ‘fine-tuning’ are out of this scope and mostly subjective, that shall lead to worse performance, or say it’s not what Linn expects a LP12 working like.

I mean, IME you shall only attain the right levelling and bounce through proper spring tension adjustments. Headroom of ‘fine tuning’ is minimal. And I wonder whoever said ‘preference of suspension adjustments’ knows the importance of a levelled platter?
juliushui
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2025-08-18 03:56
[#2464] Linn LP12 Fans    
其實LP12真係冇咁多玄學。如果跟足manual砌用足原裝件,睇埋Cymbiosis教學,個聲唔會爭得遠,亦近乎一勞永逸唔駛調較,但當然大部分人都係唔會睇manual(有幾多會一手入一手砌)

最簡單好多人bottomless好聲啲,啲聲係會放咗但distortion都多咗,個聲嘅表現會變得難估計,一改咗結構打破平衡有好多其他嘢都難計。

又其實suspension 3個點重量唔同,要level platter、臂板唔會有幾個combinations。臂板唔level vta、vtf錯,支臂平衡又錯,所以我唔係好明點解會有好多較法。如果因為較錯而覺得好聲咁真係好subjective。Suspension最終目的係要isolate platter、唱臂、唱針將外來影響減至最低,從而讀取最多碟上嘅資料(特別microdynamic)

LP12企嘅架又要講究,重型架唔用Trampolin啲聲會好死,manual有寫。又LP12 老細Ivor係建議襟蓋聽以將RF降低加強音質,AB吓就知

變成玄學因為私下改打破咗結構,得此失彼後又要加啲嘢補返,越搞越多形成LP12玄學
juliushui
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2025-08-18 04:19
[#2465] Linn LP12 Fans    
又有說turntable 冚蓋會令啲聲侷促
jimmy4167
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2025-08-19 00:22
[#2466] Linn LP12 Fans    
#2465 如果唱盤唔係擺喇叭之間,打開蓋+bottomless都無妨,但聲音好易受環境干擾好多細節走咗
juliushui
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2025-08-19 02:18
[#2467] Linn LP12 Fans    
有冇師兄用過Linn Arko唱臂?請問表現如何?如用Ittok LV II,是否值得升級?
bezz
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2025-10-28 15:05
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