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[#2461] Linn LP12 Fans    

At the end of the day, we all take something from the discussions and I really appreciate it.

To be honest with you I am "Half Full" kind of person when comes to Audiophile world because I don't have enough resources and experience to elaborate all the finest details. Most are being quoted from other sources from the net which I choose to be more objective and evidence based opinion, if any.

I think we should use our gears to enjoy music, and not to disapprove the joy of whole experience of using hardwares and spiritual imaginations.

Watching her from the beginning is like watching your friend's daughter growing up as you were aware her shaping up.

She was shy, overweight but talented young teenager but gradually she became the Las Vegas Diva.

She may not be as fresh and exciting she once was but I am glad I saw her live in Royal Albert Hall.






fotheringay
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2024-11-23 18:01
[#2460] Linn LP12 Fans    
Thanks and understood.

After different interpretations I think we agree that there are some changes but subject to individual's perception.

fotheringay
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2024-11-23 17:08
[#2459] Linn LP12 Fans    
放不同物件在轉盤當然會改變彈弓壓力,因為不同重量嘛,很普通的常識,我只針對扭動螺絲只會改變整「抽」嘢上升或下降而調整轉盤水平,而「不會」改變彈弓壓力,至於聲音變化.. 沒有意見!
Kenny6834new
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2024-11-23 16:25
[#2458] Linn LP12 Fans    

Thanks for the input which is much appreciated.

"彈弓壓力不會改變"...Are you sure? The force from the top platter may not change much but technically when you play different weight of a record, 90g, 120g, 180g, 200g. The compressive force has, though very subtle, changed and in turn it will change the compression springs it will store and release energy.

The key is the "Spring Constant". I don't know the data from Linn. However, many LP12 users have been advised to re-calibrate/adjust the springs yearly just to make sure that it is still "constant".

I am not a technician so I won't even dare going to talk about Temperature Effects, Fatigue and Spring Life, Stress Relaxation, Spring Rate and Load vs. Deflection...and so on.

These are science. That said I believe listening to music combined with gears is an art.

It's an art of human input, machines and environment. Each gives different ingredient into this experience.

And times and times again, we argue that it may not necessarily be explained logically with science. Not everything is in need of nominal measurements.

May I quote again " 那一大「抽」嘢的重心升高 x mm 後,究竟聲方面會變好、變差、還是不變?
- 答案:很簡單,由發燒友自行去體驗、判斷,過發燒癮 ".



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fotheringay
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2024-11-22 19:12
[#2457] Linn LP12 Fans    
轉盤下面果3粒螺絲,唯一作用就係調教整個轉盤水平,螺絲扭向上升幾多,轉盤那一點就上升幾多,反之亦然,彈弓壓力不會改變,見到三條彈弓長度不一樣,是因為每點重量(壓力)不一樣!
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2024-11-22 15:30
[#2456] Linn LP12 Fans    
Sir Cheung,

Thanks for the reply and your points are noted.

Audiophile perception is a wonderful thing but at time could be such a curse!!

I am aware that there have been many discussions about the setting up of the LP12, bouncing is one of them.

I know some people would choose different grades/stiffness/length of the springs to set the bounce. Their arguments would set on the different weight distribution among the armbroad, motor and platter as discussed here before.

I don't process this kind of experience and knowledge I couldn't comment on it but tweaking to one's desire is one own process.

And I agreed with this " 那一大「抽」嘢的重心升高 x mm 後,究竟聲方面會變好、變差、還是不變?
- 答案:很簡單,由發燒友自行去體驗、判斷,過發燒癮 ".

More often, if not always, self-convincing plays a major factor in how we perceive the changes, then the excitement.

I suppose, this is the reason why so many Hi-Fi gears manufacturers could survive and some couldn't.

Audiophiles are indeed substance addict(in Hi-Fi terms). Moreover, many are willing to join!!!
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2024-11-18 17:50
[#2455] Linn LP12 Fans    
> [#2454]

Thanks for your reply.

I am afraid that the following saying is a misconception among quite a number of audiophiles:
'By turning the three locking nuts up with the same number of turns (i.e. same upward displacement of the three locking nuts), the three springs will get tighter, and vice versa.'


Regarding that common misconception, perhaps you can consider to take a look at the following posts:
[#2400]
[#2401]
[#2403]
[#2404]
[#2405]
[#2406]
[#2407]

Thanks again.
kt66cheung
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2024-11-18 15:51
[#2454] Linn LP12 Fans    
Sir Cheung,

That's correct.

I just do what we LP12 users would normally do as the Ariston is of similar design.
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2024-11-18 14:51
[#2453] Linn LP12 Fans    
> [#2452]
"un-turn the nuts on the springs by 3 half turns", as mentioned.


Do you mean you "un-turn the nuts on the springs by 3 half turns" so as to decrease the tightness of the three springs to a certain extent?
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2024-11-18 10:13
[#2452] Linn LP12 Fans    

With the SAEC 407/23 arm I thought the sound was a little "tight" and it has to be "loosen" a little bit to allow more "Air" in the music.

I normally put a acrylic plate(or a flat record) on top of the platter but this time I just use the felt, just like the LP12.

I also un-turn the nuts on the springs by 3 half turns and I think it sounds much better(may be just mentally!!!)

May need more tweaks but settling for now.



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2024-11-16 01:26
[#2451] Linn LP12 Fans    

Though I use CD and Digital Files with a cheap Schitt DAC I am still very much a vinyl records enthusiasm so it's time to use two turntables again.

So I have two Ariston turntable, one RD11s and the other one RD80SL.

RD11s will be using the Fiedelity Research FR-54 heavy arm with Denon DL-102 Mono cartridge. The RD80SL will be using the SAEC 407/23 and the Ortofon 2M Blue.

I used to own many Linn LP12 and still have many parts. I had upgraded the springs on Ariston to the Linn ones which are much stiffer. It still needs more adjustment with the springs to get the right sound.

More music with my second Ariston turntable, especially females vocals as I was tidying up the female vocal collections.

I haven't heard some for some times now, so more to come soon.













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fotheringay
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2024-11-15 06:33
[#2450] Linn LP12 Fans    
Richard,

Not a joke at all.

There is always something to learn only if we ask.

Many bright ideas in history were all starting from silly thoughts.
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2024-11-14 22:46
[#2449] Linn LP12 Fans    
Thanks, Chi.

I just searched the Vinyl Engine and the sharings about this light-wright tonearm ADC Alt-1 vis-a-vis the heavy-mass MC head Denon DL103R. It seems all point to the fact they are mutually exclusive. What a joke I was making.

I just skip this idea. Let the 103R continue to be housed by a Technics tt. :)

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rcwy
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2024-11-14 21:51
[#2448] Linn LP12 Fans    

Richard,

I have used the Systemdek and the ADC LFM-2 (upgrade version of ALT-1).

The materials on the Systemdek's plinth is something I didn't like. It feels like glue of sticky stuff. That said it was a perfect match with my Hadcock GH-228 Export which I used at eh time. It was so musical.

However, the ADC is built from the late 70's to 80's and is mainly for the popular low mass MM cartridges most people used.

Your Denon DL-103R is a Medium/High Mass MC and I am afraid it may not be a prefect match. However, if you have them why not installing them to try out.

I used the ADC LFM-2 with a heavy Toshiba Direct Drive. Funny enough this deck is heavy but it will only sing with low mass arm, like ADC, Hadcock, Mission 774 and Infinity Black Widow.

I bought the ADC specially for the Toshiba. I had good result with a very light weight Benz Micro MC Gold.

If you have more time and thougt you could try it too since it's a very cheap but good sund cart.







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fotheringay
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2024-11-14 21:25
[#2447] Linn LP12 Fans    

@uat506

Thanks for the kind words and sharing of your experience is much appreciated.

Perhaps people at R33 know that I am everywhere here with many threads. Guess life in the UK is too simple and quiet.

Life goes on and music will stay with me for a long time...........









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2024-11-14 21:10
[#2446] Linn LP12 Fans    
"人生何處不相逢"

---------------------------

Indeed. I acquired one of a good friend's LP12 sent from the UK 10 years ago. But couple years ago I settled down in the UK but could not bring the Linn LP12. Instead I sold it to a good friend in HK.

In the UK lately I bought a 2nd hand Systemdek "2-speed transcription" that uses 3 point suspension as Linn LP12 does. Now I really have to learn the mechanics behind such design. It comes with a ADC Alt-1 lightly-weight tonearm and Ortofon MM head. Without any hurdle, the setup immediately give out beautiful sound.

Has anyone had experience with using ADC Alt-1 tonearm?

I have a Denon 103R MC head and its matching Denon step-up transfromer. Can ADC Alt-1 accommodate this MC head?



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rcwy
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[#2445] Linn LP12 Fans    
Good morning to you Forthingay-兄

人生何處不相逢 - music is always the key to enjoy our quality life no matter where & what. Been there & done that, you have great experience & music collections:-)
I have had 5 Linn Sondek LP12 in recent 2-3 decades, you are exceptional luckier and ‘crazier’ than me, good on ya;)

Spin more & share more among us - LP12 folks group here.
uat506
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2024-11-14 20:01
[#2444] Linn LP12 Fans    
Welcome back :)
#2440/1: Nice shot, elegant setup! Thanks for the update & juicy LP12 photos.
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2024-11-14 19:52
[#2443] Linn LP12 Fans    

Now I have changed again and not using Lenco any more.

Instead I am going back to 3-point suspensions deck again, but not LP12 as even more outrageous prices these days!!

I am using Ariston RD11s and RD 80s!!

I am sure all experienced LP12 users will know the story between Linn, Ariston and CJ Walker. The debate to whom has the right of the design and manufacturing has long been widely discussed on the net.

Mind you, all these makers, including Thorens, are all based on the original design by Acoustic Research AR Turntable. I will settle with this.

As for now, I am just enjoying my two Ariston's

My last post here was in 2017 and Iike the saying "人生何處不相逢".













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fotheringay
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2024-11-14 17:06
[#2442] Linn LP12 Fans    
I am so happy to see this thread is being active again.

I used to be a LP12 user and owned about 10 LP12 on and off in the last 20 years.

However, I sold all my Hi-Fi gears, including my last three LP12, when I was diagnosed I had irrecoverable hearing loss. I am completely deaf on my right ear and wearing hearing on my left ear.

It was done out of frustration and soon enough I went back to Hi-i journey due to "itchy fingers".

I didn't go back to LP12 since they were getting more and much expensive. I went for Lenco GL75, am idler drive transcription turntable.

since I like DIYing and GL75 would provide lots of opportunity and fun to modify.






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