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[#1] 請教靜電喇叭    
各位網友, 能否請教靜電喇叭
佢難唔難玩同服侍?
多唔多毛病?
有乜野要注意?
夾石定膽好?
暫時知道只有QUAD係香港有銷售,
唯一有小小心理幛礙係佢而今係MIC。 唔係以前UK制造,擔心品質
在此先多謝賜教
atc20a
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2020-08-17 09:21
[#2] 請教靜電喇叭    
長開冷氣抽濕

否則一個春天就可能歸西
phil.ng
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223.xxx.xxx.7
2020-08-17 09:24
[#3] 請教靜電喇叭    
香港牌子king sound應該有show room可以去試吓
wcw17hk
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14.xxx.xxx.61
2020-08-17 09:48
[#4] 請教靜電喇叭    
靜電喇叭聽室樂小品一流,大爆棚一般(除非極high end型號)。 通常夾膽機比較適合。
香港甚少人玩靜電,除咗潮濕導致跳火外,擺位亦係另一問題因要離後牆一定距離。
除了Quad和Kingsound外,靜電喇叭牌子還有Martin Logan及Soundlab。
Martin Logan香港有代理而且較容易入屋,因為外型好靚。
hnm
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2020-08-17 11:25
[#5] 請教靜電喇叭    
長開冷氣抽濕,否則一個春天就可能歸西

除咗潮濕導致跳火外,
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Not true, don't believe this hearsay.

Arching (跳火) mostly caused by over driven with the early model without protection circuit, not humidity. Please dont spreading the rumor without fact check.


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dkyyu
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2020-08-17 11:25
[#6] 請教靜電喇叭    
#5 師兄,
多謝你嘅正面訊息。
我比較接受全PANEL式, 如MARTIN LOGAN HYBRID 式, 對佢嘅唔同發聲單元COHERENCE有所保留
atc20a
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116.xxx.xxx.35
2020-08-17 11:56
[#7] 請教靜電喇叭    
#1, #5 Ching,

may check with Sanders Sound System, they have also produced electrostatics speakers but without common issues associated with them:

https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/sanders-model-10e-hybrid-electrostatic-loudspeaker/
abcde
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2020-08-17 12:22
[#8] 請教靜電喇叭    
# 5 my old ESL63 died on me due to arcing (btw not arching) during prolong humid weather long ago, & they were never over-driven. I guess personal experience can be counted as fact check. High voltage plus high concentration of water molecules can do a lot of damage to the insulation within electrostatic speakers, especially after extended service.

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hnm
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2020-08-17 12:51
[#9] 請教靜電喇叭    
i am a user of ESL57s for over 10 years, they are operating nearly everyday for at least an hour daily. i only have them charged when in service. the only issue in relation to humidity is that they sound even better with high humidity.

i have no experience in the ESL63, i believe it is of a different beast.

davwong
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221.xxx.xxx.10
2020-08-17 14:32
[#10] 請教靜電喇叭    
我有ESL57,擺埋一邊兩年幾,最近聽返完全正常。(無長開冷氣保養)
我用Cyrus One,Quad303,el84合併機仔靜推到好生猛(無論交響樂,rock)

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milachan2000
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2020-08-17 16:22
[#11] 請教靜電喇叭    
唔全面。
Krell
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2020-08-17 16:42
[#12] 請教靜電喇叭    
#5

Thanks for the update/correction.

Heard that weakness many times.

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Krell
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2020-08-17 16:46
[#13] 請教靜電喇叭    
#11

you have to bear with it,

but the high and mid are outstanding :-)

davwong
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2020-08-17 17:47
[#14] 請教靜電喇叭    
有興趣,價錢負担到咪買来玩下,有説特色也好,缺點也好,人一世物一世

師兄不接受混種,聆聽空間應該有番咁上下大,可試新世代的Quad,低音有明顯改善

talkx2
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2020-08-17 18:27
[#15] 請教靜電喇叭    

建議用膽後,穩陣的。
Neontetra
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2020-08-17 19:34
[#16] 請教靜電喇叭    
#9, #10 師兄
你哋嘅 ESL57 有無超過40年? 請教點可以保持到?
其實我比較喜歡ESL57 嘅外形,但礙於太舊, 驚佢係藥煲。
新QUAD ESL 喇叭, 試過OK, 唯一有小小心理障礙,因為佢係MIC,唔好見怪存在岐視
atc20a
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2020-08-17 20:04
[#17] 請教靜電喇叭    
eBay 買二手(香港有個師傅識整)。我係朋友到即場ab,57,63同新(model唔記得)個人鍾意57。
新舊model啲聲分別好大。
milachan2000
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2020-08-17 20:48
[#18] 請教靜電喇叭    
I am a proud obsessive owner of 5 pairs of ESL57 and 2 pairs of ESL63 over decades and still holding up 3 pairs after downsizing today.

The oldest ESL57 stopped production in ealiest 80s and its successor ESL63 stopped rolling out in the 90s. I have never grown up any interest in the latter MIC ESL. Except me myself who still owns a pair of NOS ESL57 and bought a pair of NOS ESL63 many year ago, I have no acquaintance with anyone here in HK today who ever owns a pair of the oldies ESL57 or 63 first hand from the beginning. I'd heard enough people keep badmouthing the poor ESL speaker arching associated with humidity but eventually realized none of them own a pair and simply they know nothing how the panel was made and protected again dust and humid.

Yes the ESL57 is fragile, damn easy arching because no protection at all. I have seen so many pair abused by the owner without their awareness.

57 is my all time favorite. I found myself fully indulged in playing the all original ESL57 (yes, original ESL, not the modified or One Thing Audio rebuilt) every time with my beautiful QUAD/LEAK vintage amps or even the more seducing OTL amp. My painful experience is that even a 11-watt tube amp can arch your maiden ESL57 if not handled properly. The ESL63 and the latter ESL are much better in terms of protection. I know the modern ESL offers 5 year warranty, so how can it be ruined by humidity given with the 5-year manufacture warranty.

You may ask how the hell we know about the panel. Well, we had suffered from arching so many times mostly due to over excitement (turning too loud or aged panel) and that's why we have to learn how to DIY the panel replacement ourselves.

Too much today. Find a decent pair, or mix and match from few working pairs of the all original oldies, 57 or 63 and you will be able to open up a new audio journey in life. What? you're telling me you hate the arching happens? Just throw it away and buy another working unit. Never never bother to fix it. the DIY is risky and they are so bloody cheap in ebay. mind you, the ESL57 is an amp killer, impedance can vary down to 1 ohm.


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dkyyu
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2020-08-17 21:16
[#19] 請教靜電喇叭    
#11唔全面

Krell hing,

I heard Excel Yu was fully impressed with the single pair of ESL performed in icefox's big and tall ceiling studio using a pair of vintage tube amp. The sound stage is huge and widest. Bass go deep beyond anyone's imagination. If you have a big chamber house, you can drive the ESL as a full range speaking system. No need to go for the double QUAD system.

I am afraid there is nothing 全面 in audio world. In fact, nothing on earth is 全面. The ESL has no box, effectively no transducer mass at all, that implies extremely low coloration. Hear it to believe it. But these gems are highly amp and sound source demanding. They are ss amp killer.

The mid and high from the original ESL57 stunned me on spot at first sight (or listening?).

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dkyyu
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2020-08-17 21:27
[#20] 請教靜電喇叭    
你哋嘅 ESL57 有無超過40年? 請教點可以保持到?
____________

The safest bet is to keep them power up all time. Don't abuse them physically. extremely low power consumption even in power on status.
dkyyu
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2020-08-17 21:29
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