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[#1] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
NAIM 產品來說佢算好平下, 所以擔心用後音質會無/ 無乜提升
現用:
LP12->Vincent PHO-8ps ->Transcedent Sound Grounded Grid Pre->Quad 909 Power->Sonus Faber Grand Piano Home

cables: turntable ->phono: Nordost
phono->pre: VDH copper
pre->power: AQ King Cobra
power->speaker: MIT Shotgun S1

現在唱LP時, 聲音較暗, 動態和低音十分不足.
homan8577
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2022-03-12 11:54
[#2] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
用緊乜嘢唱頭呀

聲音較暗動態及低音不足.. May be different loading value.. . Lower capacitance cable..etc

And some setting... May then be fine..

May not need to change phono stage..

do not jump to the next choices of phono stage yet... ,u need to understand which phono stage..which loading...suitable for your MC....etc..

fair to assume when u play CD or streaming...u have enough dynamic...and not dull sounding

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hahayanyan
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2022-03-12 12:13
[#3] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
請問點解突然之間問。套架生好多年了。Built for 古典音樂。係咪聽返流行曲?還是啲聲音突然冇晒精神?
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2022-03-12 12:21
[#4] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
im using Denon DL-103R MC cartridge

I'm changing my phono not solely because of my dissatisfaction with the sonic performance; instead, I am attracted to the beautiful sound produced by Naim, after hearing it from different places.
homan8577
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2022-03-12 12:23
[#5] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
我乜都聽.
homan8577
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2022-03-12 12:24
[#6] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
#2. Your quite right. While playing CD with my Roksan Caspian player, bass is sufficient, low enough, high is elegant, mid is transparent. I'm quite happy with the performance and I know it's mainly due to my CD player. That's why I want Naim to bring in some of it's signature sonic character to my system to revive it a bit.
homan8577
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2022-03-12 12:26
[#7] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
i am using a 103R with a lenco table with a cheap Arm...( may be better to load at 50ohm...30ohm..instead of 100 ohm ..or load at 500 ohm..haha

very risky to try stageline...as your issue may be not enough gain at your system and Stage line having same gain as your vinvent now.............

my 103r set up never lack of dynamic ...does wish it can be little bit brighter.., but bright enough... bass is ok too

phono stage is a threshold for this set up

tell us abit more about phono->pre: VDH copper... u have a multimeter ?


聲音較暗, 動態和低音十分不足. <<< very interesting...

聲音較暗 << suppose u comparing to your Roksan... just slightly dark Vs the roksan

so we try to understand why "動態和低音十分不足" from your LP system.... assume u already have right speaker position for dnyamic..and bass..etc..

one of my buddy having some very hi end phono stage from FM..Jadis..etc..more.. and he is super happy with a Chord Phono stage at less than hkd 10K tooo...he told..very good dynamic..etc..

from that u may be better to load at 30 ohm
also u may be better to load at higher than 100 ohm

one thing at a time... check the capacitance of your VDH

double confirm your tracking force at ?

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hahayanyan
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2022-03-12 12:27
[#8] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
how to check the capacitance of my VDH interconnect?
I do have a multimeter but dunno how to use it to do this one.
tracking force is currently set at 0.9 -1 at the tone arm.
homan8577
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2022-03-12 13:37
[#9] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
Haha.. 第一 不要過份相信 tone arm 上面嘅 指標... 103r tracking at 2 to 2.5 grams..likely u are using a linn tone arm but not a Naim tone arm... 如果你好有信心佢係準確.. Try 2 grams 雖然唔準但係你set 去two gram都應該安全嘅

搵個磅磅下

2) your. Mulit meter have basic capactiance test? 如果有 垂直的揸住你條rca 不導電的部分.. Multi meter positive to rca pin, black to rca negative...at one end

U be OK if anything below 100pf

U likely not be OK if it is above 200pf

唔係一個最好嘅測試方法但係數據已經有足夠嘅指引性


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hahayanyan
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2022-03-12 13:40
[#10] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
玩耐啲你就會嘗試唔同嘅方式去調教

係一個可用範圍裏面有時加重量會令到音色達到自己想要嘅

This is one of my approach.. 用咗個幾兩個hours 嘗試咗3個樣品做出這頂ebony top cap for 103R

hahayanyan
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2022-03-12 13:47
[#11] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
after testing , the reading is 0.14-0.15nF
my multimeter can't be tuned to use pF so value only displays in nF

does the reading sound good?
homan8577
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2022-03-12 13:58
[#12] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
0.14nf = 140pf..and it is a little bit at high side...

if it is 70pf...sound is livelier and brighter in general

especially u want brighter sound

typically we want Phono cable below 100pf

u may have a few more different RCA at home...find one below 100pf.. and try

first thing first...set your 103R tracking at least 2 gram..ish

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hahayanyan
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2022-03-12 14:00
[#13] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
u are using Transcedent Sound Grounded Grid Pre

seem u can DIY...

make one Phono cable.. take any 2 opposite core of a quad cable..then it will be less than 100pf..

have fun

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hahayanyan
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2022-03-12 14:23
[#14] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
Haha 兄,

其實由 phono 去前級係咪都應該用 phono rca? 我現在只係用 rca 去 din (naim)
dttmtong
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2022-03-12 19:23
[#15] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
VTF 1g 對於 103r 太少了吧,由 1.8g 開始試上去,我用緊 2.5g

Loading 試過 60 好無生氣,現在用緊大約 300

不過我用緊不是 103r, 而係 A110, 睇 spec 應該係同 103 一樣
dttmtong
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2022-03-12 19:26
[#16] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
主要關注嘅係唱頭去phono..even MM output is only at 5mV level... Mc at 0.5mv or less
.. There are very low level signal..good shielding and not too high PF... Is the basic need

After phono stage, ie the path from phono stage to pre amp, output level is kind of line level.. Less issue with higher PF in a sense.... Alter 聲各樣都可以多啲選擇.. If someone into interconnection choices..

No matter what. From cartridges to phono... Need to understand the impact of different PF level to the sound.. And it is quite noticeable, nice to know what is happening

Loading is full of fun too haha..

103r.. Spec should recommend above 2 grams or from 2 grams

I suspect 1 grams may not even operate normal too
除非相信特別嘅理論...otherwise follow the spec

Haha




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hahayanyan
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2022-03-12 19:29
[#17] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
Thx haha 兄
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2022-03-12 19:41
[#18] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
from denon hk

規格 : 輸出電壓 / 0.25mV
頻率響應 / 20Hz~45kHz
內阻 / 14Ω
針壓 / 2.5±0.3g
重量 /8.5g
日本製造
hahayanyan
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2022-03-12 19:51
[#19] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
A-110

dttmtong
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2022-03-13 09:14
[#20] 請評Naim Stageline phono    
DL-103

103 個 output impedance 高啲,我大約 x 10 去調教 phono 個 loading

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