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[#18] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    


錄音行的其中一種基本功是,

以多咪方式錄音時,

正確判斷究竟那枝咪應該正相,

那枝咪應該反相。




此外,錄音師/混音師亦會以某些欒器的正反相,

製造所需的音效。



單以品牌決定*整個*錄音本身的正反相,

相信攪錄音的行內人,

未必會接受這種說法。





最後修改時間: 2009-11-11 23:12:15
LoFi
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2009-11-11 23:10
[#19] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
小弟無知,想問正相及反相既英文是否 'in phase' 及 'out of phase'?

Vash
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2009-11-11 23:35
[#20] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
孟波兄

高手 ! 言者有物 ! x 2
mactone
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2009-11-12 00:11
[#21] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
i read on machine as normal / inverted phase
hercules
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2009-11-12 00:26
[#22] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
and some pc software have phase control, it's most low cost and painless way to switch
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2009-11-12 00:34
[#23] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
各位

重有一樣分享, 其實不單只cd 有正反相錄音, 有的前級 及 dac 都是反相, 好驚唔驚 ?

舉例: lite dac 60, 及 Rogue 99 是反相

但如果 以上 兩個 反相一齊用, 又可 負負 得 正.
kaka1122
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2009-11-12 07:26
[#24] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
That's right. We cannot guarantee each equipment is in phase itself. Just the sound output is in phase is ok. But that requires golden ears to know. :(
CKL2
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2009-11-12 07:59
[#25] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
如果肯花心機每隻cd正反相各聽一次,應該好易分到,
小弟
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2009-11-12 08:57
[#26] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
Many DACs have normal / inverted phase button.

If any one can hear the difference by pressing the button I cut my head for you to seat....

XD
hiphopzz
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2009-11-12 09:07
[#27] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
I cut my head for you to seat....
kkakakakkakakkakakkakak,

Best of the day!!very 道地, 考起鬼佬
254mm
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2009-11-12 09:53
[#28] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
If any one can hear the difference by pressing the button I cut my head for you to seat....
______________________________________________

How many heads you can provide for cutting!!! For a good hifi system, NOT EXPENSIVE SYSTEM, everyone should hear the difference between 0 phase and 180 phase!! But...............how many guys have a good hifi system??????????
classicalbug
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2009-11-12 10:29
[#29] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
firstly, sorry for my rudeness sin....

I realy wonder if someone can hear the difference. I hope we can arrange a blind test...

Is it ok to you..?
Thank you very much for your help..
hiphopzz
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2009-11-12 10:34
[#30] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    

不用好的器材, 反相是很容易聽到的, 我做了一段反相的錄音, 已 upload 到 youtube. 在的的平價電腦 speaker 都聽到分別:

原本的錄音:



反相的錄音:


(這錄音是從唱片翻錄的, 版權期限是 50 年, 因此, 翻錄 50 年前所發行的唱片是合法的)

patrickwong
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2009-11-12 12:05
[#31] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
Can I clarify if we are talking about out-of-phase or inverted phase..?


patrickwong c-hing,

thank you for your help..!!
but my company block youtube so I will try at home tonight..

thanks again.. ^^

hiphopzz
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2009-11-12 13:03
[#32] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
嚴格來講, 相位 (Phase) 這個術語有點被誤用, 一般我們講的「反相」是指 Stereo 左右兩條聲軌其中一條 Polarity 反了, 亦即我們通常講的 out-of-phase 。
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2009-11-12 13:41
[#33] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
patrickwong c-hing,

yes, it always confusing....
I suppose many c-hings here are talking about invert phase...


Let me clarify my position sin....

out-of-phase:
If any one CANNOT hear the difference please cut your head....

inverted phase:
If any one can hear the difference, I cut my head for you to seat....

XD
hiphopzz
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2009-11-12 14:00
[#34] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
For a good hifi system, NOT EXPENSIVE SYSTEM, everyone should hear the difference between 0 phase and 180 phase!!
_____________________________________________
hiphopzz c-hing

That's the point. Yes, NOT out-of-phase, inverted phase (0 degree to 180 degree). If you are familiar with classical music, your system is well presenting the recording, you can hear this. Even though a non-audiophile guy (my wife) can hear the different. When the phase is correct, first you hear more airy from wood winds, you hear more details from violins, the position of all musical instruments can be clearly identify its position in the orchestra. Many many to prove but my poor English can describe this. So that that I don't know how to type Chinese using PC.
classicalbug
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2009-11-12 14:08
[#35] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
聽返正相好多功夫?
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唔係吖!把喇叭線紅黑反轉,相位便馬上反轉了!
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2009-11-12 14:13
[#36] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
No need to argue and cut your heads. They are all physics and engineering. Just draw out all the graphs can prove whether different sound will be produced.
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2009-11-12 14:27
[#37] 好多cd 都是反相錄音, 聽返正相好多功夫, 有簡單解決 ?    
反o左相o既聲有點似雲遊太空咁,虛虛浮浮,唔夠實淨
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