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[#10] Harbeth同好會 Hi frankie2612, Would you mind share your problem with your harbeth?		M40 正式會員 170.xxx.xxx.104	2006-08-16 18:21

[#11] Harbeth同好會
Hi M40 Hing,

其實唔係大問題,因只係聽左個幾月,現在試旦機定石機靚.

frankie2612

正式會員
220.xxx.xxx.192

2006-08-16 18:48

[#12] Harbeth同好會
i quite like the little harbeth p3es. i almost bought a pair a few years ago! still want to buy a used pair as backup for my 3/5a :-)

aliu

正式會員
219.xxx.xxx.189

2006-08-16 23:46

[#13] Harbeth同好會
我都買蠪3 ,但在" 友X "買，HKD9000.
用Rogue audio 90 後級，和 Metis 前級。
整體好滿意。

bennyW

正式會員
219.xxx.xxx.201

2006-08-17 00:23

[#14] Harbeth同好會
Harbeth P3ES2的缺點, 我有以下的意見

唔爆得…以我的MFA3為例,播Bass重的流行曲音量較到時針11點時已開始拍邊

開聲 (run in) 時間比較長,新喇叭最初十幾小時,聲音可以用差來形容。所以各位要有耐性,起碼聽三日才好進行調較

原裝銅片聲底較差,最好另外買有銀成份的jumper

最好不要用來聽現時偶像歌手的歌,否則喘氣聲、口水聲、懶音等全部浮出來,影響偶像的形象。

harbeth

正式會員
58.xxx.xxx.9

2006-08-17 01:04

[#15] Harbeth同好會
Why don’t we share a bit our experience on setting up our Harbeth. Let’s start with the most important part in my opinion: speaker stand.

If you believe in BBC philosophy, speaker stand should be low mass such that energy storage is low and can be quickly dissipated to ground. Some foreign Harbeth users insisted wood stand because they argue metal stand may potentially sound ring. However, if you look at studio photo or old Spendor or Roger brochure, all stands are metal design. So I have reason to believe metal stand should be as fine.

Ok, back to real life experience. Since it is hard to get ‘low mass metal stand’ locally, my first attempt for my M40 was a solid wood stand. The stand is quite heavy (IMO too heavy) and stable. But after a year of usage, I found wood stand tends to sound warm (welcome) but a bit blur and slow, the bass may lack last bit of resolution and speed. That’s exactly people general impression towards British box: midrange only speaker.

So I start to check for replacement. I found a UK hand-made metal stand called Something Solid XF sounds quite well-received among Spendor and Harbeth users. And the price is reasonable too, although the look requires some time to accept. So I placed order (with minor cosmetic change from standard) and waited for two months for delivery.

Once installed the new stand, bass resolution and speed are back. I would say the mid sounds as warm as my old wood stand, just with more details. Dynamic is also improved. Overall I think it is a wise move.

I don’t think Harbeth users must order the same stand from UK. But I suggest when you shop for or custom make your stand, some key points worth to note:

-The height must be right, it should bring tweeter to your ear level.
-Top size should fit your speaker size for stability and sonic reason
-Metal stand usually sound more dynamic while wood stand sound soft.
-Big speaker can use light weight stand to improve bass speed while small speaker can use heavy stand to boost up bass energy.
-Speaker-to-stand and spike-to-floor interface are equally important. Never apply a single formula for all speaker, you have to try it yourself. (many people just use bluetak and linn sheet floor protect formula, both don’t work for my case)

M40

正式會員
170.xxx.xxx.104

2006-08-17 12:19

[#16] Harbeth同好會
Thanks M40 for detail and open sharing

ken1967

正式會員
218.xxx.xxx.93

2006-08-17 12:24

[#17] Harbeth同好會
Setting up the P3 is less difficult, according to Harbeth website, the minimum distance from the speaker to wall is only 0.3M. That fits perfectly with the small rooms in HK. My experience is 2 feet away from the wall is perfect but less than that only have very small difference. Also, since it is designed as a drop in replacement for LS3/5A, all speaker stands fits the LS3 can fit the P3. That's it is very suitable for beginners in Harbeth.

harbeth

正式會員
210.xxx.xxx.59

2006-08-17 12:33

[#18] Harbeth同好會
Major drawback of Harbeth P3ES2 and Compact 7:

The SEAS tweeter, which at times, tend to draw attention to itself and not very detail, as compared with Spendor's ScanSpeak tweeters. The SEAS tweeter often present itself as ZZZZZZ!

sybaritej

正式會員
219.xxx.xxx.16

2006-08-17 14:23

[#19] Harbeth同好會
What is the major difference in sound between Harbeth LS-3/5A and Harbeth P3 ??

shadowwho

正式會員
202.xxx.xxx.252

2006-08-17 14:44

[#20] Harbeth同好會
Hi M40 Hing,

I find my M40 too powerful in midrange, And the image seem to fat, Can you recommend what speaker cable you think fit for M40? Or what's the problem in my setup?

frankie2612

正式會員
220.xxx.xxx.192

2006-08-18 14:08

[#21] Harbeth同好會
hi all, i'm a hl5 user and have been using it for 2 weeks now. and i use p3es2 in my room. to me the strengh of harbeth is it portraits instruments fairly accurately, and for shl5 the low level (volume) detail is excellent (hence why ppl like playing it with classical music).

mahi

正式會員
218.xxx.xxx.128

2006-08-18 14:15

[#22] Harbeth同好會
hi shadowwho,
I have both speakers at home and can share my experience with u.
P3 is designed to be a drop in replacement for LS3, it has the similar sound attributes, but P3 has a deeper cabinet size and thus have a more dynamic range and better response in low frequencies.
It is very difficult to say which is beter. To me, LS3 is unbeatable in female vocal and string instruments. However, P3 performs slightly better for general and classical musics especially jazz. As a result, I listens P3 most of the time. My LS3 is only use for my favorite cds and fine tuning for my new hi-fi equipments.
Will post more photos later.

harbeth

正式會員
210.xxx.xxx.59

2006-08-18 14:58

[#23] Harbeth同好會
想請問Harbett喇叭比較配什麼amp才可以發揮它的音色長處呀?

因我曾試聽過用Naim前後級推動Compact7和SHL5,音色真的令人聽得很舒服,但是好似慢了一點點.

Mandie

正式會員
219.xxx.xxx.19

2006-08-19 17:22

[#24] Harbeth同好會
U are rite Mandie, Harbeth has a very traditional UK sound. Depends on taste, the design is a bit 'slow' and warm in nature. I am now using MF A3.2 pre + power and very satified. Besides Naim, Harbeth website also suggest Sudgen amp.

harbeth

正式會員
58.xxx.xxx.9

2006-08-19 20:07

[#25] Harbeth同好會
P3 VS LS3