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[#1] 請教音場......    
c-hings,
請教如果音場拉不開,樂器分隔度不夠,好像擠逼在中間,那麼speakers should toe IN more or toe OUT more? 或其他方法改善? thanks.
kingkoi
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116.xxx.xxx.79
2011-03-10 10:02
[#2] 請教音場......    
Many factors ; of them speaker placement is the most important factor. No rule , everyone's room characteristic is different.
diytfy
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155.xxx.xxx.45
2011-03-10 11:34
[#3] 請教音場......    
Very difficult to improve nearly to replace the whole system. I can say it can be improved by solid state to tube state, use better cap., use better crossover in the speaker, Rubidium clock in your digital system, XLR instaed of RCA.
41450686
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202.xxx.xxx.161
2011-03-10 13:07
[#4] 請教音場......    
樓主不如影幅相來睇下
stephenchow2k
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221.xxx.xxx.233
2011-03-10 16:05
[#5] 請教音場......    
c-hings, if i don't change my set up, just refine the speakers' position to improve the sound stage. sould I probably toe in more or toe out more? my problem of the sound stage is "too crowded". and my room is rectangular. thanks.
kingkoi
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112.xxx.xxx.29
2011-03-10 16:08
[#6] 請教音場......    
theoretically, more toe-out results in more indirect sound which makes you feel less-focused, less-centralized...

However, you should try both, more experiments. It costs you none...!!

^^
hiphopzz
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2011-03-10 16:16
[#7] 請教音場......    
講明先, 我自己都正在學緊喇叭擺位, 不過見CHING問開就順便搭句爹, 講小小自己的想法, 好等其他CHING可再指點指點, 不如唔好理TOE-IN定TOE-OUT住, 首先將對喇叭同個皇帝位擺成等邊三角形, 聽下有乜變化先.....

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天富仔
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218.xxx.xxx.2
2011-03-10 16:50
[#8] 請教音場......    
In my opinion, toe-in is just to find the best focus point. The main question is "Is it possible to improve 音場?"

音場 is just like a road. If the road is wide has 4 lanes then the traffic without any problems.

If the road from 4 lanes to 2 lanes, then the traffic will pack together.

So, what I say you need to upgrade the whole system. Even one part is bad it affects the whole system.

You can find out which component is the weekness and upgrade it first.
41450686
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2011-03-10 17:12
[#9] 請教音場......    
c-hings, you may try to download the following link file to see if it can improve the sound depth.
http://www.cardas.com/pdf/roomsetup.pdf
thinkaboutHIFI
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121.xxx.xxx.129
2011-03-10 17:20
[#10] 請教音場......    
9成9係setup 的問題!

有個不用錢的方法請樓主考慮. 暫不要用所有hifi 線材, 特別是電源線, 拖版, fuse, 牆蘇..etc 和電有關的. 用黑金剛, 白色家用排蘇. 如果樓主是用名貴IC & SC, 亦最好先不用. 釘&墊材等也是可免則免. 先聽聽聲音如何,再打算.

有時HiFi補品性格太重,互相衝撞,正正是可能變負的 ^.^

listener
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170.xxx.xxx.135
2011-03-10 17:51
[#11] 請教音場......    
多說一句, speaker placement 可以幫補修正. 如果set-up好, 好多時只係幾好與更加好的分別.

以樓主所述, 應該在set-up用力. 加油
listener
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2011-03-10 18:09
[#12] 請教音場......    
9成9係setup 的問題!

有個不用錢的方法請樓主考慮. 暫不要用所有hifi 線材, 特別是電源線, 拖版, fuse, 牆蘇..etc 和電有關的. 用黑金剛, 白色家用排蘇. 如果樓主是用名貴IC & SC, 亦最好先不用. 釘&墊材等也是可免則免. 先聽聽聲音如何,再打算.

有時HiFi補品性格太重,互相衝撞,正正是可能變負的
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真係講出我的心聲,最初setup 套機,最好用D優質又中性的studio 線及原廠電源線,run in 以後,有7至8成滿意(若完全唔掂,就肯定是器材錯配,搞乜都冇用),再看情况更換發燒接線,先換訊號線,再想好D然後是喇叭線,最後是電源線(唔換都得).最重要附件同發燒線是錦上添花,套機錯配時唔好以為用條靚線就起死回生(有時可能重差),配得好只可以由差變得冇甘差.
raymond202
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58.xxx.xxx.79
2011-03-10 19:07
[#13] 請教音場......    
想人教你都要講清楚,把環境及器材post上來先講,唔係講乜都無用.真是很佩服師兄們,不需看看都可以提出更多好意見.

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100fun
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219.xxx.xxx.23
2011-03-10 19:46
[#14] 請教音場......    
C Hing,
買大陸TUBE AMP, speaker, CDP, 黑金剛, 白色家用排蘇都無咁衰聲啦! 除非環境超差。 如環境超差就不用問speaker placement 啦!

好像擠逼在中間我見過吓,同電個part好有關的。
listener
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2011-03-10 21:23
[#15] 請教音場......    
C-hings, This is my photo of my setup.

kingkoi
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119.xxx.xxx.196
2011-03-11 10:12
[#16] 請教音場......    
more photo

kingkoi
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2011-03-11 10:14
[#17] 請教音場......    
c-hings, 或者我應該用另一問法:請問喇叭的擺法,如想sound stage 拉濶些,應如何擺. thanks.
kingkoi
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119.xxx.xxx.196
2011-03-11 10:19
[#18] 請教音場......    
Let me try to send some tips,


Your speaker is over energy as seem the listening room is not that big enough for this Giant B&W (which I think needing 600 - 1000ft)

The side wall and back wall are too absorbant and and music gone like in black hole.

the floor is too reflecting the sound , so your're getting sound congested coming in from the middle of the speaker front and floor


You have to pin point above problems to get a normal soundstage.
If not, at least place the two speakers more close apart, less toe-in and listen to a lower volume


diytfy
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2011-03-11 11:45
[#19] 請教音場......    
路過多口講句,請幾位Ching到府上,鄺大陝話齌,一句鍾搞掂啦.
rd3
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2011-03-11 12:04
[#20] 請教音場......    
要有音場首先要有足夠空間制造廷遲反射,才可騙取人既耳朵,所以,首先喇巴大小須配合空間
以兄上既情況應使側牆有多些空間,內傾角約—至四度
若中間的器材能置於低位,那就更好

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一休大師
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2011-03-11 12:16
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