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[#1] 升級    
用緊crystal cable reference speaker 2.5m 希望加強低頻下潛力同衝擊力,應該上ultra/dreamline? 抑或轉其他如siltech, ocellia之類銀線?

thanks
klinsmanner
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2013-01-10 18:51
[#2] 升級    
klinsmanner,VDH個條新老頂得唔得,我自己就用VDH舊老頂 scs-2想減少低頻下潛力同衝擊力但就無錢買crystal cable喇叭線,哈哈!
takyan
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2013-01-10 19:21
[#3] 升級    
"""希望加強低頻下潛力同衝擊力"""

add 2x subwoofers

get bigger speakers

change power amps

better than playing with cables
cpu8088
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2013-01-10 19:34
[#4] 升級    
現在套setup都用咗好幾年時間,心機,同金錢砌成,自問尚可收貨,而且亦冇地方放額外器材所以只能以線材去調整。換了十幾條電源線及訊號線只剩下喇叭線!

有冇人可幫忙?
klinsmanner
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2013-01-10 23:25
[#5] 升級    
cpu8088, according to your post #3, I could not agree with your more with your comment regarding your own 升級!!!

Now it is time for you to practice what you preach.

Get rid of your wireless headphones for your dedicated bathtub listening to sound and sound effect. Forget about your imagined sound system that does not exit and get the real thing for a change. You will be a far happier person than having nothing better to do and therefore post smart comments all over R33.

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NAR
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2013-01-11 08:32
[#6] 升級    
my own upgrade? cant u see those are simple suggestions for someone who wanted to have better bass?

my bass is just right with punch and textures. there is no need to upgrade.

i am using 2x subwoofers and refrigerator size speakers and my power amp is top notch.

my wireless headphones still going strong with no issue. best investment of mine in recent years.

i am very happy now except reading your useless and tedious posts here. lol

nar where is your "review" of wilson alexia? i am waiting to review the reviewer. or u chicken out now.


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cpu8088
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2013-01-11 09:45
[#7] 升級    
U never have any patient reading detailed information on anything and they all proven too difficult for you to understand which is a well known fact. In the past You "copy and paste" articles which in fact contradict your own argument against other c-hing, this really showed everyone that you did not understand anything from what you copied and paste. You are an expert in making argument for argument sake.

As we had request from you in so many threads here in R33, your talk is cheap, In order to claim your credibility, you must
(1)take high definition photos of yourself wearing that wireless headphone of yours while in the bath.
(2) take high definition photos of you in front of your refrigerator size speakers & subwoofer while receiving those daily "BIG PUNCHES".

Wilson Alexia review? You can continue to wait patiently for the next review, I had posted what I had to post and of course you did not read it properly, your criticism of how bad this product sound months before they were even manufactured is enough to tell us as always you let your imagination ran too far and this never worked for you. If you are interest in the Alexia review then go back to read what I wrote again and again as you had plenty of time to do that apart from bathroom listening to your wireless headphone while bathing. You never know what you were missing. KaKaKaKa!!!
NAR
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2013-01-11 11:09
[#8] 升級    
klinsmanner 兄,

Would you mind to tell your power amp & your speaker. Does your speaker accept bi-wire ?

When a speaker cable connects to power amp A and makes more bass, it doesn't mean it will make same when connects to power amp B. Speaker cable is a loading to a power amp. Most power amps sound difference when the loading ( impedance ) changes. The damping factor of power amp will highly affect the bass performance. But the damping factor changes when the power output changes & loading ( impedance ) changes.
Since you are now using Crystal cable reference speaker 2.5m, I think your power amp & your speakers are not low end at all. I suggest you send an enquiry to the factories to ask what kind of speaker cable will best suit their products. You may need to make a choice to select the speaker cable to fit the power amp or to fit the speaker.


十連霸
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2013-01-12 11:46
[#9] 升級    
nar

u go back to your own posts you said you were going to write a detailed review of alexia when "properly" burn in doe at the dealer.

now u chicken out not dare to write the detailed "review". of course your "review" was just introduction of products or simply advertising.

by the time your 'review" is available i believe wilson will have another version of alexia claiming the original was bad and the new one beat it in all aspects. lol
cpu8088
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2013-01-12 12:23
[#10] 升級    
Cpu

There were magerine review on the alexia Already, since you think you are so resourceful that you already knew the sound quality of the alexia before they were on the production line, then what makes you so interested in my follow up comments?

From the first audition the speakers gave me a good impression and this has not changed even after further listen. Is that what you wanted to know??? You got the answer now...

For you, cpu the typical naysayer on any Wilson or hi end products who is never interested in anything and you never get invited to listen to anything except reading spec from the internet , so what makes you think you are interested in Alexia anyway. you should try to find a Wilson dealer who is willing to open the door for you to listen to your sound and sound effect stuff.

You are better off stick with your imagined fridge size speakers, it will do a lot of good with your imagination. Something for you to think about.

Many of the members also interested what gear you own and try to understand why you to made so much unwanted noise here!!!! especially your fridge size speakers. Sadly You don't have the guts to post photos after we requested so many times a long long time ago. Does it mean you are a chicken???

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NAR
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2013-01-12 13:52
[#11] 升級    
thank you 十連霸, i am using octave re280mk2 and proac d25. so far so good but like to thicken little overall bass which goes deeper.
klinsmanner
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2013-01-13 02:24
[#12] 升級    
"""From the first audition the speakers gave me a good impression and this has not changed even after further listen. Is that what you wanted to know??? You got the answer now..."""

u could not hear the effect of so called "burn in"? not from a "good" impression to a "better" impression?

magazine reviews are more biased towards manufacturers in view of advertising money. have u read any magazine review making bad comments on any product?

i never ask what equipment u use before u qualify to comment on wilson alexia. so why u impose that condition on me? why not u impose the same condition on your so called "friends"?

cpu8088
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2013-01-13 07:31
[#13] 升級    
proac d25???

get wilson alexia. nar said alexia is good, very good. lol



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cpu8088
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2013-01-13 07:33
[#14] 升級    
我之前用開 reference ,現用 ultra , 低頻及分析力均大大改善,可考慮。當然 absolute dream 會更出色, 但太貴。CrystalCable 人聲方面比較突出, siltech 低頻會潛得更深,更有力。看你喜好及其他配線而決定。

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gingerman
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2013-01-13 09:16
[#15] 升級    
cpu, you are the one who raised the subject about reading the Alexia review from me. I do not read product review, when a product sound good to me and this is my opinion OK??? Are you challenging my judgement and hearing??

I listened to a whole lot more live orchestra concerts than you and I know which speakers give a good sound reproduction compare to live. After run in, the speakers sound even better, does it satisfy you (since you have never been invited to audition this speaker before).!!!

good impression vs better impression, --- if you read articles so carefully then you should be a knowledgeable person and spot on in understanding everything available, if that is the case, you would be too busy doing something else and would not waste your time in R33 messing up all the threads.

You always listen to electronics sound and sound effect; movie sound tracks and love bad mouth any product's quality such as the Alexia before the speakers were even in production. Will you stop your illusion for a change.

Your narrow minded and arrogant attitude will get you no where.

For a change will you stop argue for argument sake based on your groundless experience???

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NAR
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2013-01-13 10:34
[#16] 升級    
Klinsmanner 兄,

As you may aware, tube amp is not so good to control the bass due to the very low damping factor. Normally the damping factor of tube amp is around 20. Solid state amp is 200 or more. D25 can accept bi-wire. I suggest to use bi-wire method to achieve your target. Go to SSP to buy 20~30M cheap Japanese speaker cable. Start from one single cable for treble and 2 cables for the bass, then 3 cables for the bass, 4 cables for the bass.................. until you find out the best balance between the sound of treble and the bass. What you lose is the ' 高低音單元的相位問題 '. The phase of treble driver & bass driver may not match. Both Octave Re280mk2 and ProAc D25 are not very hi-end products. Phase Shift of drivers are not important in your case. Or you can use Crystal cable reference for the treble and use another thick cable for the bass.
Of course, the perfect case is gingerman 師兄borrow his Ultra to you to try. May be Reference to treble and Ultra to bass is the best result.
十連霸
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2013-01-13 11:41
[#17] 升級    
wow.....i never thought about treble/bass phase problem as it seems too complicated to my limited knowledge.

i did switch from ss amp to tube amp for sake of seductive vocal and believe octave has the least tube effect compared to the likes of jadis, audio research, kondo, etc... basically i am satisfied with the system except deepening and punching degree for bass.

i am thinking if an easy way, shouldn't i......change jumper from reference to ultra/dreamline for bass connection. now connecting reference cable to +ve and then via reference jumper to -ve. is this correct way?

truly thanks for the advice from 十連霸 and gingerman.

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klinsmanner
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2013-01-13 12:19
[#18] 升級    
Klinsmanner 兄,

When you connect your treble with Reference and jumper of Ultra to bass, you are using 2 different cables.

Usually, thicker cable will give more bass. In the old days, I had Infinity Kappa 8 speaker. I used VDH thicker SCS4 for the bass and thinner SCS6 for the treble and got the best sound balance. Since SCS4 & 6 are same wire materials with different thickness only, Phase Shift is not serious.
Especially when you are not in real high end, forget all technical terms, try with low cost and achieve the perfect sound balance based on hearing. Are you using CD with external DAC ? With HKD less than 2,000, you can buy Behringer digital EQ DEQ1014 in China, you are free to adjust what you want.
十連霸
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2013-01-13 13:38
[#19] 升級    
cannot see swapping cables to more expensive ones is called 升級. it is called tweaks.

proac d25 has 6.5 inch mid/bass driver. just like a toyota 4 cylinder irrespective how hard you try to tweak cannot beat a v8 car.

save the money on cables and get better speakers is the only cure for desired bass.





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cpu8088
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2013-01-13 13:40
[#20] 升級    
Mr. U , using your example, do U see real benefits with V8 engines in the roads of HK? You have recommended to add subwoofers and changing speakers without at least asking whether the listening room can accommodate the additional gears.

Klinsmanner Hing, I am quite familiar with Proac, but not with the German tube amplifier. I guess the reason you Select this combo is based on the musical pictures reproduced. To be honest , my understanding both components are not intended for heavy punchy bass .

In addition to 十連霸Hing's advice, I can give an additional angle that may improve bass responses,

a) both the speakers' placement in the room and the toe in angle could affect the bass response. My understanding d25 has pretty rich bass with proper positioning, assuming the ideal room size is below 200sq ft.
b) less is more - you may consider to place a nice carpet in front of the speakers to gently reduce the first reflection of mid to high frequencies ( usually bass energy is less affected). Then see if you have a chance to try bass traps at the corners (eg. ASC tube traps ,DaAD4 etc...)that will suppress undesirable bass reflections and at the same time allowing you to hear deeper and cleaner bass. Unfortunately these devices are bulky and having relatively low WAF(wife acceptance factor)
c) ideally you may have dedicated power lines running from the ELCB to the power sockets for Hifi. It is best to have a dedicated run for the power amplifier, and another socket to be shared by the other front end equipment. This arrangement will extract the maximum control out of your power amplifier.

Good luck!

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faimiu
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2013-01-13 15:58
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