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[#28] 升級 致楼主: 对於低頻表現,其實spk cable只可以幫幾% 喇叭係自己個場擺位好重要,逐半吋移來移去試 |
niceday009 正式會員 14.xxx.xxx.138 |
2017-09-14 19:14 | |
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[#27] 升級 又中! |
孟波 正式會員 14.xxx.xxx.55 |
2017-09-13 09:29 |
[#26] 升級 #14 Crystal新model我都有興趣,八年前用過reference grade jumper, 人聲效果不錯。 |
aheung 會員 219.xxx.xxx.9 |
2017-09-13 08:43 |
[#25] 升級 thanks for everyone who gave opinion or advice here, i have managed to get a crystal cable ultra speaker cable to connect the woofer of my proac while maintaining the original reference for tweeter connection in a true biwire setting. as result, bass has got punchy and better controlled; and unexpectably, soundstage is clearly deeper. |
klinsmanner 正式會員 183.xxx.xxx.18 |
2013-02-03 03:45 |
[#24] 升級 """using your example, do U see real benefits with V8 engines in the roads of HK""" u mean "on" the roads "in" HK? i can see real benefits as there are many big cars in hk with v8 engines effortlessly cruising. 最後修改時間: 2013-02-02 10:12:08 |
cpu8088 正式會員 115.xxx.xxx.214 |
2013-02-02 10:11 |
[#23] 升級 crystal cable reference x 2 vs siltech prince biwire x 1 which would be better for a proac speaker? |
klinsmanner 正式會員 183.xxx.xxx.18 |
2013-02-02 02:35 |
[#22] 升級 let say, "我想利用線材盡可能發揮現有器材,而只想在喇叭線上作調整" |
klinsmanner 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.30 |
2013-01-14 18:00 |
[#21] 升級 thanks for all advices again. my room is less than 200 sq ft and no space for any extra stuff. I do place a big carpet in front of the speakers. proac d25 does have good imaging and I'very found no toe-in is required because it would narrow soundstage. be frank that I don't believe toe-in is equal to adding more bass as it would be a tweak only. all I want to adjust is cable only. I do have good experience on changing cable to achieve improvement. |
klinsmanner 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.98 |
2013-01-13 19:21 |
[#20] 升級 Mr. U , using your example, do U see real benefits with V8 engines in the roads of HK? You have recommended to add subwoofers and changing speakers without at least asking whether the listening room can accommodate the additional gears. Klinsmanner Hing, I am quite familiar with Proac, but not with the German tube amplifier. I guess the reason you Select this combo is based on the musical pictures reproduced. To be honest , my understanding both components are not intended for heavy punchy bass . In addition to 十連霸Hing's advice, I can give an additional angle that may improve bass responses, a) both the speakers' placement in the room and the toe in angle could affect the bass response. My understanding d25 has pretty rich bass with proper positioning, assuming the ideal room size is below 200sq ft. b) less is more - you may consider to place a nice carpet in front of the speakers to gently reduce the first reflection of mid to high frequencies ( usually bass energy is less affected). Then see if you have a chance to try bass traps at the corners (eg. ASC tube traps ,DaAD4 etc...)that will suppress undesirable bass reflections and at the same time allowing you to hear deeper and cleaner bass. Unfortunately these devices are bulky and having relatively low WAF(wife acceptance factor) c) ideally you may have dedicated power lines running from the ELCB to the power sockets for Hifi. It is best to have a dedicated run for the power amplifier, and another socket to be shared by the other front end equipment. This arrangement will extract the maximum control out of your power amplifier. Good luck! 最後修改時間: 2013-01-13 16:07:11 |
faimiu 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.77 |
2013-01-13 15:58 |
[#19] 升級 cannot see swapping cables to more expensive ones is called 升級. it is called tweaks. proac d25 has 6.5 inch mid/bass driver. just like a toyota 4 cylinder irrespective how hard you try to tweak cannot beat a v8 car. save the money on cables and get better speakers is the only cure for desired bass. 最後修改時間: 2013-01-13 13:45:11 |
cpu8088 正式會員 115.xxx.xxx.214 |
2013-01-13 13:40 |
[#18] 升級 Klinsmanner 兄, When you connect your treble with Reference and jumper of Ultra to bass, you are using 2 different cables. Usually, thicker cable will give more bass. In the old days, I had Infinity Kappa 8 speaker. I used VDH thicker SCS4 for the bass and thinner SCS6 for the treble and got the best sound balance. Since SCS4 & 6 are same wire materials with different thickness only, Phase Shift is not serious. Especially when you are not in real high end, forget all technical terms, try with low cost and achieve the perfect sound balance based on hearing. Are you using CD with external DAC ? With HKD less than 2,000, you can buy Behringer digital EQ DEQ1014 in China, you are free to adjust what you want. |
十連霸 正式會員 119.xxx.xxx.237 |
2013-01-13 13:38 |
[#17] 升級 wow.....i never thought about treble/bass phase problem as it seems too complicated to my limited knowledge. i did switch from ss amp to tube amp for sake of seductive vocal and believe octave has the least tube effect compared to the likes of jadis, audio research, kondo, etc... basically i am satisfied with the system except deepening and punching degree for bass. i am thinking if an easy way, shouldn't i......change jumper from reference to ultra/dreamline for bass connection. now connecting reference cable to +ve and then via reference jumper to -ve. is this correct way? truly thanks for the advice from 十連霸 and gingerman. 最後修改時間: 2013-01-13 12:23:03 |
klinsmanner 正式會員 183.xxx.xxx.18 |
2013-01-13 12:19 |
[#16] 升級 Klinsmanner 兄, As you may aware, tube amp is not so good to control the bass due to the very low damping factor. Normally the damping factor of tube amp is around 20. Solid state amp is 200 or more. D25 can accept bi-wire. I suggest to use bi-wire method to achieve your target. Go to SSP to buy 20~30M cheap Japanese speaker cable. Start from one single cable for treble and 2 cables for the bass, then 3 cables for the bass, 4 cables for the bass.................. until you find out the best balance between the sound of treble and the bass. What you lose is the ' 高低音單元的相位問題 '. The phase of treble driver & bass driver may not match. Both Octave Re280mk2 and ProAc D25 are not very hi-end products. Phase Shift of drivers are not important in your case. Or you can use Crystal cable reference for the treble and use another thick cable for the bass. Of course, the perfect case is gingerman 師兄borrow his Ultra to you to try. May be Reference to treble and Ultra to bass is the best result. |
十連霸 正式會員 119.xxx.xxx.237 |
2013-01-13 11:41 |
[#15] 升級 cpu, you are the one who raised the subject about reading the Alexia review from me. I do not read product review, when a product sound good to me and this is my opinion OK??? Are you challenging my judgement and hearing?? I listened to a whole lot more live orchestra concerts than you and I know which speakers give a good sound reproduction compare to live. After run in, the speakers sound even better, does it satisfy you (since you have never been invited to audition this speaker before).!!! good impression vs better impression, --- if you read articles so carefully then you should be a knowledgeable person and spot on in understanding everything available, if that is the case, you would be too busy doing something else and would not waste your time in R33 messing up all the threads. You always listen to electronics sound and sound effect; movie sound tracks and love bad mouth any product's quality such as the Alexia before the speakers were even in production. Will you stop your illusion for a change. Your narrow minded and arrogant attitude will get you no where. For a change will you stop argue for argument sake based on your groundless experience??? 最後修改時間: 2013-01-13 10:58:50 |
NAR 正式會員 42.xxx.xxx.191 |
2013-01-13 10:34 |
[#14] 升級 我之前用開 reference ,現用 ultra , 低頻及分析力均大大改善,可考慮。當然 absolute dream 會更出色, 但太貴。CrystalCable 人聲方面比較突出, siltech 低頻會潛得更深,更有力。看你喜好及其他配線而決定。 最後修改時間: 2013-01-13 09:19:50 |
gingerman 正式會員 14.xxx.xxx.125 |
2013-01-13 09:16 |
[#13] 升級 proac d25??? get wilson alexia. nar said alexia is good, very good. lol 最後修改時間: 2013-01-13 07:33:53 |
cpu8088 正式會員 115.xxx.xxx.214 |
2013-01-13 07:33 |
[#12] 升級 """From the first audition the speakers gave me a good impression and this has not changed even after further listen. Is that what you wanted to know??? You got the answer now...""" u could not hear the effect of so called "burn in"? not from a "good" impression to a "better" impression? magazine reviews are more biased towards manufacturers in view of advertising money. have u read any magazine review making bad comments on any product? i never ask what equipment u use before u qualify to comment on wilson alexia. so why u impose that condition on me? why not u impose the same condition on your so called "friends"? |
cpu8088 正式會員 115.xxx.xxx.214 |
2013-01-13 07:31 |
[#11] 升級 thank you 十連霸, i am using octave re280mk2 and proac d25. so far so good but like to thicken little overall bass which goes deeper. |
klinsmanner 正式會員 183.xxx.xxx.18 |
2013-01-13 02:24 |
[#10] 升級 Cpu There were magerine review on the alexia Already, since you think you are so resourceful that you already knew the sound quality of the alexia before they were on the production line, then what makes you so interested in my follow up comments? From the first audition the speakers gave me a good impression and this has not changed even after further listen. Is that what you wanted to know??? You got the answer now... For you, cpu the typical naysayer on any Wilson or hi end products who is never interested in anything and you never get invited to listen to anything except reading spec from the internet , so what makes you think you are interested in Alexia anyway. you should try to find a Wilson dealer who is willing to open the door for you to listen to your sound and sound effect stuff. You are better off stick with your imagined fridge size speakers, it will do a lot of good with your imagination. Something for you to think about. Many of the members also interested what gear you own and try to understand why you to made so much unwanted noise here!!!! especially your fridge size speakers. Sadly You don't have the guts to post photos after we requested so many times a long long time ago. Does it mean you are a chicken??? 最後修改時間: 2013-01-12 13:57:49 |
NAR 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.231 |
2013-01-12 13:52 |
[#9] 升級 nar u go back to your own posts you said you were going to write a detailed review of alexia when "properly" burn in doe at the dealer. now u chicken out not dare to write the detailed "review". of course your "review" was just introduction of products or simply advertising. by the time your 'review" is available i believe wilson will have another version of alexia claiming the original was bad and the new one beat it in all aspects. lol |
cpu8088 正式會員 115.xxx.xxx.214 |
2013-01-12 12:23 |