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| [#1] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited edition ) (Re-post) 大家好 小弟購入M30(30週年版)己起過10週，睍m了超過200 hours, 各方表現亦己穩定下來，是時候和大家分享它在舍下的表現。本人的組合為: Digital – Macbook pro + slim device transporter ( format用 apple loseless ) Analog – Nottingham Spacedec + Goldring elite + Trichord Dino+ Pre and power amp – Jeff Rowland concerto pre + 201 Intercon – Audionote ANVx Speaker cable – TAD Speaker stand – Foundation designer II 初開聲時，上下伸延不大理想，比較緊，結象唔sharp，但經過10hours run-in, 各方面都有明顯改善。 現在整體表現令人十分滿意，中音/人聲絕對係強項，無論男聲或女聲都十分吸引。高音伸延理想，但不是最幼細那種，在重播violin or guitar, 雖然並不是最美，但卻很真，不楓酒tudio monitor。低頻方面，以size計，絕對收貨有餘, 在重播piano or orchestra 並無任何明顯不足之處。音場相當闊大，定位明確，雖然有少 laid forward(前傾), 但當加上高密度的聲音，有一流的實體感，臨場感L。如果你相信真就是美，那絕對不可錯過這對speaker。 將會和以下speakers 作更詳細比較: a. Pioneer puremalt, 用了接近1年 b. Proac Tablette 50 sig, 用了超過5年 c. Cello Elvis, 用了超過9年 d. Revel F30, 用了7年 |
dkjg 正式會員202.xxx.xxx.52 |
2007-08-31 16:07 | |
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| [#2] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited edition ) M30(30th LE) 與 M30 (original) 的分別，據台灣代理所說，有以下分別： 1. 內部接線 – 30th LE version用上更高級的special ultra pure OFC cable. 2. 木皮 3. 30th LE 有Alan Shaw 的signature ( 所以叫signature ) 價錢方面，30th LE 比original version貴30 - 40%。 聲音方面，當然冇30%的分別。但有正面之改善。 |
dkjg 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.52 |
2007-08-31 16:22 |
| [#3] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited edition ) (Re-post) 面網問題 在開聲初期，拆下面網聲音會較惡，加回面網會較悅耳。 在run-in 200 hours 後，拆下面網聽係另一種feel, 聲音更直接，聲音粒子再粗少少，音場再 laid forward 少少，用來聽Jazz, Live or rock music 更過癮。 問題係拆那面網是一件苦差，容易整花speaker. 所以我主要都係加面網聽，始終主要聽人聲及classic。 如果把面網只是輕輕合上(方便拆下)，聲音表現係最差，結像即刻化大，整個畫面像加了一層紗。 |
dkjg 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.52 |
2007-08-31 16:25 |
| [#4] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited edition ) 八月十日(星期五)，八號風球，突然多了半日假，立即約好朋友，足足花了 ＞ 6 小時才完成比試。 |
dkjg 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.52 |
2007-08-31 16:33 |
| [#5] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio very good report, push!!! |
c9803758x 正式會員 220.xxx.xxx.65 |
2007-08-31 17:24 |
| [#6] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio hi c9803758x, Thanks. |
dkjg 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.46 |
2007-08-31 17:32 |
| [#7] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio 比試方法 Proac tablette 50 sig 在半年前已讓了給朋友，在八號風球當天，專程把proac 接回家和另外三對speakers (pure malt, M30, Cello)作即場比試。 至於Revel F30，因三個月前賣了給樓下的朋友。雖然只是樓上樓下，但始終重量相當，故並無搬回來作直接比試。但因過去幾年都是主力聽Revel，故對其聲音表現十分熟識。 首先上場為proac (過門都是客)，然後為pure malt，接笏ello，最後是M30(30LE)。每對speaker有30分鐘熱身，然後播唱五張指定CD，and then next speaker。亦有因表現太接近，而雖要在播完一張CD(one song)後，即刻接回之前的speaker作比較。 軟件均為經常聆聽的CD, including: 1. 蔡琴:民歌Track 10 – 恰似你的溫柔; 2. 薛偉:夢鄉Track 9 – 魚舟唱晚; 3. Dire Straits: Brother in arms Tract 2 – money for nothing; 4. Naum Starkman: Chopin track 2 5. Living stereo / Stokowski: Rhapsody Track 1 |
dkjg 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.46 |
2007-08-31 17:33 |
| [#8] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio 第一回合: 蔡琴:民歌Track 10 – 恰似你的溫柔 先上場係 Proac tablette，人聲甜，三把吉他也OK。 最殘忍就係即場比較，Pure-malt 一上場，就把原本表現都算唔錯的Proac 比下去。 在Pure-malt重播下，三把吉他高音更靚更幼細，蔡琴的人聲更立體更有感情。實在無話可說，Pure-malt 贏得漂亮。在場Proac的現任用家即刻補充說，Proac係坅峊囓垤ound Musice機推表現比現在好。 接茖錀ello表演，一個完全唔同的表現方式。人聲清淡很多，結像很sharp(細)，高音唔錯，但未及Pure-malt幼細。 到Harbeth上場，明顯聽到同Proac係同一血統，但整體表現要再上幾層樓。聲音密度比前三對spearkers高很多，吉他整個body感都能表現出來，人聲不及Proac or Pure-malt甜，但很舒服很真實。音場亦係以Harbeth為最闊。分析力和Cello不分上下，彈吉他的每個動作、口形變化亦清楚交代。 至於Revel，聲底界乎Proac與Cello之間，表現一般，人聲唔{Proac甜，又不及Cello清秀，你可以說是中庸，亦可以話係兩頭唔到岸。吉他OK。 小結：整體以Harbeth表現最出色。但若只計人聲的表現，Pure-malt絕對係贏家。 |
dkjg 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.46 |
2007-08-31 17:47 |
| [#9] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio dkjg＞ Thanks for the review which I find very interesting. I'm thinking of getting a pair of M20 30th Annivesary for $15K (display item). What do you think? |
pete7013 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.246 |
2007-09-01 07:26 |
| [#10] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio thank report |
simon@review33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.36 |
2007-09-01 13:55 |
| [#11] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio thanks. Pure-malt, VP or PM? |
7308 正式會員 58.xxx.xxx.234 |
2007-09-02 13:15 |
| [#12] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio 謝謝大家支持。 Hi Pete7013 我在Century / Yau Shing 聽過 1. compact 7ES3 2. SHL-5 3. Monitor 20; 及 4. Monitor 30. 我較喜歡Monitor 30 及 SHL-5。兩隻speakers鴾五/人聲同樣吸引，但表現手法有異。SHL-5較laid back/舒服，Monitor30則更直接真實。當時M30(30LE)新開箱，故表現不如理想。但我相信M30(30LE) run-in後會更佳，縱使貴＞30%亦值得。現在証明係正確鵅AM30(30LE)各方面都比當日M30的表現好。 Monitor 20的聲底并非Monitor30的縮細版，而係somewhere between M30 and SHL-5。其實更易討好用家，我亦相信LE版會贏original版。所以買M20(30LE)唔會錯，但聽講數量很limited，買就要快手了。 |
dkjg 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.52 |
2007-09-03 17:51 |
| [#13] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio i did visited Yau Shing at last Sat. but can't find the M20(30LE) displayed. may be someone already bough the last pair. it's sad to heard that only 5 pairs are came to HK and most of them have been imported to Taiwan. i think the hk dealer is not doing their good job to promote this brand... or just like mikelee hing said in other thread, harbeth just attrack our "old cake" eyes? |
gneonhk 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.221 |
2007-09-04 00:24 |
| [#14] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio dk＞ I had an AB comparison between ProAc's Tablette Reference 8 Signature and Harbeth M20 30th Annivesary edition on Saturday at Century. Initially, I intended to buy this last pair of M20 30th Ann (display unit) for $15,000. But before I made the final decision, I listened to these two speakers very carefully and with my eyes closed. I asked the saleman to switch one to the other back and forth without telling me which ones were being played. I was able to tell clearly the differences between the way these speakers played the music. Then after several swops,I asked the salesman to stop the music and before I opened my eyes, I told the salesman that I preferred the previous pair just before the switch and I told him that they were ProAc. Then I opened my eyes and saw the speakers on the stands just finished playing were Harbeth, which meant that my educated guess was correct. The Harbeth just could'nt show the upper frequency as well as the ProAc. The vocal also sounded much smoother and sweeter on the ProAc than it was with Harbeth. The overall tonal balance sounded too dark with the Harbeth when driven by Naim. It just didn't have the sparkle that the ProAc displayed so well. So at the end, I bought the ProAc for $9,950. That's a saving of $5k. I think it's good to do AB comparison with eyes shut, this way will help to remove any prior subjective perception of the equipment itself. |
pete7013 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.50 |
2007-09-04 09:35 |
| [#15] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio 第二回合: 薛偉:夢鄉Track 9 – 魚舟唱晚 先上場亦係Proac，Violin音色唔錯，但結像有時會化大及漂移。伴奏的piano亦較暗，未能清楚交代。 到pure-malt上場，完全係「食住」Proac，相同的表現手法，但各方面更出色。Violin音色更靚更幼細，定位一流。Piano亦清楚交代，只是Piano的動態就受制於其physical size。出色的表現，有能力吸引你想再聽多幾張Violin CD。 到Cello，伴奏的piano的表現較上兩對speakers好，Violin OK，結像sharp，但音色就無以上兩對speakers咁吸引。 最後上場係Harbeth Monitor 30(30LE)，伴奏的piano無論音色或動態都十分出色，但較前三對speakers laid forward。跟上一回合的吉他一樣，Violin更有body感。定位亦一流，加上擦絃的顆粒感，使其像真度、臨場感成為五對speakers中最好的。 至於Revel，piano的動態好，但中高及不上Pure-malt, Cello or Harbeth，Violin的音色亦不及Proac, Pure-malt or Harbeth。始終人聲或Violin都無法贏以上各對小喇叭。 小結:整體表現以Harbeth為最佳。若只論Violin，Pure-malt為最美，Harbeth為最真。播放靚聲的小提琴錄音，Harbeth的真與美，和pure-malt的優美，實在很難取舍，很難決定誰為最佳。若播放錄音一般或較差的小提琴錄音，Pure-malt會較討好，但Harbeth亦絕不會惡聲。 |
dkjg 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.46 |
2007-09-04 18:22 |
| [#16] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio Hi Pete7013, Congratulation! I think Proac is a good choice for matching with Naim. Recently, I have heard Supernait driving Proac D38 in Radar, they sounded really good. As I mentioned in the first part of my review, Proac sounds sweeter than Harbeth's monitor series. But Harbeth is more real and revealing which make you think that you are there. It makes the music alive which is why I love Harbeth. For the treble, I do believe it is related to the amplifier used. In my setting, pure-malt has better high frequency extension and more fine treble. But Harbeth does not sound wrong or insufficiency in playback of treble (e.g. violin), it is because its overall sonic balance is so good that which make violin playback so attractive. My friend has bought supernait recently. He will take this new toy to my home for matching with Harbeth in the coming saturday or the next saturday. I hope I can tell more about matching Naim with Harbeth after that, which actually is a very common practice in UK. Moreover, I think after running in your new speaker, you can take it to my home for us to appreciating the different in sonic presentation by different brands. I think Hifi is something about mix and match and personal taste. There is no right or wrong. Nonetheless, I do beleive you have make a good choice. Cheers. |
dkjg 正式會員 58.xxx.xxx.141 |
2007-09-05 00:50 |
| [#17] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio real good reviews and reports!!! |
etml 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.130 |
2007-09-05 01:25 |
| [#18] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio Hi 7308, I am using PM version for nearly one year. You can see my comments on pure-malt if you follow the pura-malt thread back to last year's posts. I was very eager to buy the VP version when it was released at the end of last year. But after audition in a hifi shop in Tokyo, I postponed my plan. It did not meet my expectation. But I thought it might be due to the environment in that shop. In late June this year, I went to Elite showroom and had a audition of VP again. Or I should talk about my expectation first. Because VP uses TAD middle/base unit, I expect a better base performance. And VP use the same treble unit as PM, I think it should have same treble extension and performance if not better. Unforfunately, it is not the case. After audition in Elite, it gave me the same impression as in Tokyo. Yes, it has better base extension. However, it sacrifies the high frequency extension / performance. Violin and female vocal is more attractive when played by PM version. But most people in pure-malt thread think VP version is much better. I don't know who is right. I wonder whether it will have better treble performance if drived by Jeff Rowland. I hope I can get a pair of VP by mid October as I try to borrow a pair. Anyway, I will buy a pair of VP eventually becuase I want to own a TAD speaker. Sometimes, I think most people get the idea of "PM is too cheap to be good". |
dkjg 正式會員 58.xxx.xxx.141 |
2007-09-06 01:23 |
| [#19] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio Hi dkjg, 我都知你用PM，不過都係問清楚好d。 我認同你對PM與VP之分別，但VP run in 後(around 5 months)高頻段與PM的分別係會拉近好多。 等待你更精彩的報告。 |
7308 正式會員 58.xxx.xxx.234 |
2007-09-06 01:51 |
| [#20] Harbeth M30 ( 30th signature limited editio 第三回合: Dire Straits: Brother in arms Tract 2 – money for nothing 用Proac聽Rock/pop music亦無不可，係一種舒服聲，使本地pop music錄音可聽性提高。當然有人會覺得這不是味兒。 Pure-malt重播Rock/pop music竟然有板有眼，實在令人喜出望外。可能因為迅變夠怏，Rock music的味道亦能帶出來。當然低音的份量就雀少了點。 到Cello上場。本來Cello的高低伸延都唔錯，人聲亦OK，重播Rock/pop music應無問題。但世事往往就是出人意表。Cello重播Rock/pop music竟然係高音刺耳，低音嘈，尤其是本地 pop music錄音，更令人無法忍受、想息機。 Harbeth再一次成為贏家。男聲夠厚夠靚，有實體感，定位一流。左邊的電吉他亦夠辣。低頻量夠，亦夠實，但又不會給人得個嘈的感覺。一流。 Revel低音量更多，但就雀鬆了小小(可能與amplifier有關)。播靚錄音的Rock music係五隻喇叭中最刺激、最有Hard Rock feel 的。但重播本地pop music錄音就有種很嘈很煩的感覺。 小結: 在重播Rock / pop music 上，相信有不少人會喜歡Revel那種低音量多，夠刺激的表現手法。但個人就較欣賞Harbeth那種平衡度更高的表現手法，Harbeth的低音量對我而言已經足夠，而且畫面更清徹，臨場感更強。 |
dkjg 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.46 |
2007-09-06 18:05 |
