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| [#1] Weiss DAC202 review How come this audiophile in Mainland China is so quick!? Here is his DAC202 review: http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/thread-140502-1-1.html |
CKKeung 正式會員116.xxx.xxx.153 |
2010-05-01 11:05 | |
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| [#2] Weiss DAC202 review Some reviewers may buy the item. I don't know if they could get a special discount that may affect the review? |
CKL2 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.9 |
2010-05-01 11:17 |
| [#3] Weiss DAC202 review This Mainland audiophile only tested the DAC202 as an ordinary DAC but did not test it as a firewire DAC. What a pity! |
CKKeung 正式會員 116.xxx.xxx.153 |
2010-05-01 11:20 |
| [#4] Weiss DAC202 review Seems the owner is an user rather than a reviewer since he just bought the dac for 2 days, not yet run-in...... ^___^ |
Vash 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.151 |
2010-05-01 11:27 |
| [#5] Weiss DAC202 review dont be disappointed ,other chings in another r33 forum have verifed firewire weiss dac2 better sound in toslink, not firewire i am interested using worlk clock with dac202 s performance? |
batmanames04 正式會員 114.xxx.xxx.212 |
2010-05-01 11:29 |
| [#6] Weiss DAC202 review batmanames04 hing, This detailed Weiss Minerva review claims that the firewire input is mucher better than other digital inputs: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/weiss2/minerva.html |
CKKeung 正式會員 116.xxx.xxx.153 |
2010-05-01 11:32 |
| [#7] Weiss DAC202 review ＞＞dont be disappointed ,other chings in another r33 forum have verifed firewire weiss dac2 better sound in toslink, not firewire That was not my experience when I had my DAC2. The Firewire interface was noticeably better than the TOSLINK and Coaxial. |
agentsmittie 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.72 |
2010-05-01 12:09 |
| [#8] Weiss DAC202 review ＞＞dont be disappointed ,other chings in another r33 forum have verifed firewire weiss dac2 better sound in toslink, not firewire That was not my experience when I had my DAC2. The Firewire interface was noticeably better than the TOSLINK and Coaxial. __________________________________________________ Those were not my experience on my ex-dac2 .... ^___^ |
Vash 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.151 |
2010-05-01 12:13 |
| [#9] Weiss DAC202 review good to hear that firewire better and let me know world clk vs firewire with 202 |
batmanames04 正式會員 114.xxx.xxx.212 |
2010-05-01 12:29 |
| [#10] Weiss DAC202 review "Seems the owner is an user rather than a reviewer since he just bought the dac for 2 days, not yet run-in......" I mean the HK reviewer. |
CKL2 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.9 |
2010-05-01 14:11 |
| [#11] Weiss DAC202 review any idea how practricle it is as a preamp? |
breadvan 正式會員 121.xxx.xxx.58 |
2010-05-01 17:22 |
| [#12] Weiss DAC202 review No good 0DB is the best |
Enlighten 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.140 |
2010-05-02 10:31 |
| [#13] Weiss DAC202 review Actually, "小白" is a famous professional here. The DAC202 came in from the dealer for trial & review only. |
Enlighten 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.140 |
2010-05-02 10:35 |
| [#14] Weiss DAC202 review Here's another thread related to DAC 202: http://bbs.headphoneclub.com/thread-140463-1-2.html 最後修改時間: 2010-05-02 10:37:24 |
Enlighten 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.140 |
2010-05-02 10:36 |
| [#15] Weiss DAC202 review DAC202 vs Elgar Plus  |
Enlighten 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.140 |
2010-05-02 10:38 |
| [#16] Weiss DAC202 review ＞＞ DAC202 vs Elgar Plus can you share how they compare? |
嚦嚦二世 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.232 |
2010-05-02 10:52 |
| [#17] Weiss DAC202 review 小白's testing set up and logic reminds me the word "testing bicycle tire with Ducati" Hardly believe such a "famous pro" only got/use such "gears" for such Weiss testing. Protecting DCS interests? |
com-buddy 正式會員 119.xxx.xxx.157 |
2010-05-02 12:05 |
| [#18] Weiss DAC202 review Hello all Sunday morning, ＞How come this audiophile in Mainland China is so quick!? The first 3 DAC202 pre-ordered users are all from China around November 2009. They have waited almost 6 months for delivery. http://www.asiaweiss.com/main/?p=1591 We do not have any magazine review yet. The first 202 demo set is now in Audiotechnique magazine waiting for photo shooting for media propaganda. Avbuzz posted a photo review. The photos are excellent and disclosed the internal structure of the new DAC and new analogue output stage, comparing to Minerva. The owner of this DAC202 Mr.Redman waited so long as he wanted to buy a Minerva, which is discontinued. http://www.avbuzz.com/audio-video/201004/weiss/0.htm. ＞This Mainland audiophile only tested the DAC202 as an ordinary DAC but did not test it as a firewire DAC. The testing methodology is incorrect. I asked this China DAC202 user too. When they compare the DAC202 with dCS Elgar, the dCS Elgar is locking at 24/88.2kHz and while the DAC202 is locking 48kHz. If they are playing CD, then the XLR lock of DAC202 should be 44.1kHz. It is not really valid test to me. They actually should hear strange noises, I wonder why..... ＞ he just bought the dac for 2 days, not yet run-in...... Of course Vash knew this. From all the first shipment owner reports, the DAC202 improves dramatically during run-in. We all guess that the Coil (similar to Medea) needs longer time to get in shape. Which is better? Firewire, AES, SPDIF, TOSLINK? Firewire is ONLY used for computer as source CAS. When using CAS, firewire connection is most straight forward and recommended approach because there is only 1 clock in the chain and that is the DAC202. (Same case applies to DAC2/Minerva/INT202). The DAC202 controls the binary data flows from computer to DAC. Many reviews use this great CAS master clock concept to explain as firewire is better connection than AES, SPDIF, is not entirely correct. When using AES or SPDIF, the DAC202 can slave to the digital input, or from WordClock input. However it cannot work with internal sync hence the source is from CD/DVD/SACD transport. While using Firewire, the DAC202 Sync can slave to any digital or WordClock input, or work as internal master sync. If you think the AES or Toslink is better as master sync, it is very flexible that to use firewire as data connection and select Sync from AES or Toslink. The timing will then be controlled by the AES/Toslink input. Some audiophiles see Wordclock means using external clock on WLK input, but not another way around that WLK output can be master. The DAC202 WLK output can be used to sync with other transports (e.g. Studer A730) which has wordclock input. By this way, the DAC202 can work in master clock mode while Studer A730 slaves to the DAC202. This method is effective and applies on other company products such as Wadia and dCS master clock mode. ＞ any idea how practricle it is as a preamp? It serves as digital preamp for digital sources including CAS. ＞ No good. 0DB is the best We disagree. The digital preamp section is at least 32bit design. With a simple explanation, when you are listening to CD (16bit) you have another 16bit resolution. Each 1 bit resolution equals to 6dB, you can turn down the volume 16 x 6 = -96dB without touching the data. If you are playing 24bit source (CAS), then you have 8bits x 6 = -48dB without touching the data. And since we used properly dithered volume control, that should be a good volume knob. People in the professional audio industry actually using Weiss processors as volume up/down with better results in CD/DVD-A/SACD mastering. Daniel wrote a paper with sound samples which I recommend: http://www.weiss-highend.ch/computerplayback/Digital_Level_Control.pdf Some related update news: (1) Weiss 202 Series will be appeared on headphone festival in Japan (May 8th). If you are in Tokyo, then you can listen to the DAC202 driving various headphone with its 4 analogue output level settings for different headphone impedance. http://www.fujiya-avic.co.jp/d-style/1005_headphone_fes.html (2) May 21-23: Hi-End Show (Spring) Tokyo 2010: http://www.hi-endshow.jp/contents.html (3) May 6-9: Munich HighEnd Show Atrium 4, E109. We will have the DAC202, INT202, ATT202 and Chiron cables on show. The setup will include Soulution amplifiers and Hansen speakers. (4) Oyaide Neo-W d+ Firewire: http://www.designwsound.com/dwsblog/?p=2484 (5) Computer Audio Seminar SS10 - Part1: http://www.designwsound.com/dwsblog/?p=2522 日期: 2010年5月29星期六 時間: 2-5pm 地點: 九龍達之路78號生產力大樓1樓演講廳 Seminar Fee: HK$250 /person (6) Weiss Tech section: http://www.asiaweiss.com/main/?page_id=9 |
DWS 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.154 |
2010-05-02 12:25 |
| [#19] Weiss DAC202 review Which kind gears？ P70 VUK is an enough for DAC202. And Elgar Plus is a powerful competitor of 202. |
Enlighten 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.140 |
2010-05-02 14:54 |
| [#20] Weiss DAC202 review Actually the 202 cannot use a 1394 cable while I'm using my XLO & Khamar power cable! The 1394 socket is just below/beside the Power cable dock, which is a quite stupid design. Weiss do not expect all DAC202 user abandon most hi-fi power cable?  |
Enlighten 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.140 |
2010-05-02 15:01 |
