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[#1203] Vote CLOSED.    
No ar!!
I bet on Opus MM ga!!!!
LeoChan
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210.xxx.xxx.117
2003-11-13 12:22
[#1204] Vote CLOSED.    
Then 10:4
Linnman
202.xxx.xxx.63
2003-11-13 13:19
[#1205] Vote CLOSED.    
Dear Andy,

Point C is the trickest part and many audiophile including myself don't want to believe this painful fact. People give different sets of score when they test cables openly and blindly. Same criteria for scoring example transparency of the treble or bass control, when people know what model/brand of cable they are listening to, the variance of the score is far bigger than when using the same cables but done blindly. What does it translate into - people have preset idea on the characteristics of the cable due to price effect/past experience and/or whatsoever reasons. But in the blidn testing, people tends to be more honest and conservative. This is what I meant!
Try the blind testing and analysis the result. It's fun and interesting and may change your investment strategy in cables later on. Seeing is believing!!
Happy listening!
daniel3388
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203.xxx.xxx.182
2003-11-13 14:00
[#1206] Vote CLOSED.    
i actually find blind tests sometimes do more harm than good, esp if the participants are too worried about how they will look afterwards
715018
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203.xxx.xxx.110
2003-11-13 14:09
[#1207] Vote CLOSED.    
not that i am saying the participants in this test do so worry, just another perspective on the blind test
715018
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203.xxx.xxx.110
2003-11-13 14:10
[#1208] Vote CLOSED.    
Most beer and wine drinkers brag about their taste buds and the price of their drinks

Actual blind taste tests conducted indicate most people cannot differentiate between brands, and of the minority that can, their ability to do so diminish drastically with the 2nd drink

Audiophiles should learn from alcoholics, but the alcoholic audiophiles do have a head start, they cant tell the difference anyways
Xman
47.xxx.xxx.103
2003-11-13 14:52
[#1209] Noisy Party it is    
Like what I added my suggestion in the cable testing before, there are actually so many factors that could change the resulted sound a long term review of the SMR and OPUS is required to tell the truth.

Sometimes it would take months even a year for the conductors to settle in and even replugging which inevitably will change the way they bend and rest could make an audible difference.

Special25 is right that "cables do have inductance and capacitance itself and will affect the frequecy response + phase shift of the system although it is passive."

The length against width ratio of conducting materials and the sheer amount of conductor used to yield best sonic result still remains a trial and error matter to manufacturer. Besides cables are mostly limited to traditional 1m, 1.5m and 2m etc.

The major aim of cable maker, besides market share and profit making ultimately, is to advance in conductivity, but I believe the change in frequency response with change in the signal current is not linear. I have seen no manufacturers so far having indepth study in this area. Its more or less similar to the delta and gamma hedge in financial instrument.

With this complexity it is hard to make absolute scientific comparison between 2 cables simply by ABA, blind test, control arm method, let alone their corresponding interaction with room mode, speaker placement and all other tiny little things which matter. I do believe that even the first 10 sec of a familiar piece of music in enough for guys like Linnman and AndyS to tell which cable is which. There is no harm to do the blind test though except that the judges should not be physically blindfold.

The crux of a fair play is actually avoid being TOO SCIENTIFIC because there will be no end....have you ever factored or discounted the frequency response to number of human bodies in terms of absorbance in that particular listening room. Many a times in the old days I was so excited to tune the sound to my maximum liking alone but ended dull when my listening room is jam-packed with enthusiatic friends eagar to see what I succeeded.

I agree with Linnman that if one cable continuously sound prefferable to the other in differnt set ups, it will be objective enough to conclude it as the better. So league rather than knock out looks the most sensible way.

"Of course, a balanced and neutral system not equal to a good sound system." This was what AndyS said earlier which surprised me. I would say hifi is always an art built on science. In valuating a cable, we all give subjective view as it is exactly what you hear by yourself which could be different to what others hear in the same occassion. A dynamic approah will be enough to make the Opus vs SMR meaningful enough. If money allows, why not keeping them both.

Have great fun, my dear fellas.
santamomo
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152.xxx.xxx.97
2003-11-13 15:52
[#1210] Harmonix TU1000 Signature    
Kikuchi san of Harmonix could only prepare 4 set of TU1000 signature for sale and the customers are also chosen by him. I am not sure whether I am lucky or unlucky because I am the chosen one. On the other hand, they are very expensive from the perspective of spike but they are not really spike because both ends are flat.

I emailed Kikuchi and ask him to give me reasons why should I buy them as my equipment all have their own feets. I do not really need them. We email back and forth quite a few times within two days or so. From his words, he does not seem to be caring about profit or the price, but his sincereity in hoping the TU1000 will go into the hand of mine. He knows my system well although he has never paid a visit to mine but he promises he will. He told Sound Concept that my system combination in his view belongs to the unusual type, especially the source (Metronome) and the speakers. I am not sure what he means but he will pay me a visit as he is interested to know how dare I told him my setup is much better than what he showed in Sound concept in Hong Kong.

Back to the TU1000, he told me the TU1000 is the cultivation of his decade long experience in tuning feet and the creation of them represents the pinnacle of his achievement in understanding vibration. He seems to be desparately looking for audiophiles who can share his passion. He said that the fact that they are limited is because he cannot ensure the persistent supply of the wood required to make the TU1000 and the wood is expensive. The original intention of the 1000 is to replace the famous TU202EX spikes but intense research escalate the cost of the 1000 plus the very exquisite material required forces him to make less than 10 sets with only 4 remaining available with designated customer.

I thought about it last night as to why should I buy them? For what? Barring the price factor, I really admire his passion. I do not think that is marketing gimmick judging from his language in his email.

In the end, I have no choice but to pick up the phone and call sound concept, the rest is then history.

I hope this new article would alleviate some tension ahead of the battle between SMR and MM tonight.
Linnman
202.xxx.xxx.63
2003-11-13 15:59
[#1211] CD recommendation    
I strongly recommend the latest 3 Super Analog 24bit CD by Arthur Rubinstein. One on Chopin's Scherzo, the other one is Funeral March by Chopion and the last one is Brham's Piano sonata. They are very good recording. I avoided playing the Funeral March this morning though.
Linnman
202.xxx.xxx.63
2003-11-13 16:07
[#1212] Harmonix TU-210ZX    
Linnman, I have a very good impression on the Harmonix TU-210ZX as it gave me the tranquillity that other tuning feet without and yet maintain good but not excessive/broken definition. One thing it excels is the harmonics extention, though I believe is touch artificial in some tracks.

I believe the TU1000 will be good. But experiemnting the position will be painful, so enjoy the pain.

santamomo
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152.xxx.xxx.97
2003-11-13 16:16
[#1213] Harmonix TU-210ZX    
Santamomo, what do you mean by touch ariticial in some tracks?
Linnman
202.xxx.xxx.63
2003-11-13 16:20
[#1214] Harmonix TU-210ZX    
Adding the Harmonix gave me that wood feel, but that could be exaggerated by the sight of wooden material used.

The result is positive with better decay. But occassionally the lingering seems too lengthy when I require that snap.

Whether this is the warmer side Harmonix products tilting towards or simply an honest reflection of the artificial colour of my TaraLabs/Wireworld combo will take me longer to find out. I only use the TU-210ZX underneath transport or DAC.
santamomo
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152.xxx.xxx.97
2003-11-13 17:29
[#1215] The battle will begin within 2 hours    
All the participants, having enough fun?
Linnman
202.xxx.xxx.63
2003-11-13 18:05
[#1216] Calling Linnman on the TU-1000    
I happen to be one of the luck guys who got hold of a set of TU-1000. Can't wait to read your report on it, to verify if the improvements of my system is just an illusion or not...hehe.....
About TU-210ZX, the initial impression is that the 1000 does not carry the characteristic of TU-210. They are quite different in the sense that TU-1000 is far more natural than 210ZX....wonder if I am right? Look forward to hearing from you and thanks again in sharing your experience with us.
Enforcer
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218.xxx.xxx.72
2003-11-13 19:42
[#1217] Calling Linnman on the TU-1000    
But you need to pay some time to find out the best positioning of TU-210ZX, don't simply follow the user manuel, even Uncle Kikuchi don't follow his own user manuel.....
Wilmer/威馬
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203.xxx.xxx.34
2003-11-13 20:28
[#1218] Calling Linnman on the TU-1000    
Hey guys, I have no time to test the 1000 tonight but Enforcer I just want to ask you a straight forward question, do you think the 1000 justify the price and also where are you using them?
Linnman
61.xxx.xxx.116
2003-11-13 22:24
[#1219] Calling Linnman on the TU-1000    
Dear Linnman.......I am using it for the pre-amp, and about the price....humm.....humm.....let me think about it ....humm.....
Enforcer
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218.xxx.xxx.72
2003-11-13 22:26
[#1220] Calling Linnman on the TU-1000    
Enforcer, what are the main areas of improvement? Are those improvement consider dramatic in your point of view?
Linnman
61.xxx.xxx.116
2003-11-13 22:29
[#1221] Calling Linnman on the TU-1000    
Dear Linnman.....
my initial impression of the improvements are the followings:
background quietness further improves...
more 3D/dynamic
the music/voice clear further
high extension more natural.....

about whether it is considered as dramatic....humm....humm....I say the improvements is 10% better than before as a whole. Although it doesn't sound much, but I find it hard to squeeze this 10% out from my system without this TU-1000. The end result is that I can't remove it from my pre-amp at least for some time, so I am happy about the price.
Enforcer
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218.xxx.xxx.72
2003-11-14 00:24
[#1222] Calling Linnman on the TU-1000    
Enforcer:
Got my email?
Wilmer/威馬
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202.xxx.xxx.251
2003-11-14 02:09
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