review33.com: 影音天地: Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers

分類搜尋 移民 | 借錢 | 投資 | 物流 | 搬運 | 按揭 | 樓盤 | 保險 | 機票 | 酒店 | 升學 | 補習 | 手錶 | 電腦 | 紅酒 | 網購 | 脫髮 | 健身 | 減肥 | 濕疹

影音天地主旨 ﹝請按主旨作出回應﹞ 上頁下頁首頁尾頁

寄件者

傳送日期

[#55] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers the Fisher 80-C is a very advance preamp, but it is not as user friendly as Pilot SP-210 and Fisher 400CX-2 in my limited understanding. Tone control on Fisher 80-C must be applied if you want to maximize its performance and tone balance. __________________________________________________________________________ In other words, it is one of the most versatile preamp for input signal matching and tone control.		cpsjj 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.150	2006-06-10 10:54

[#56] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers
Fisher 80-C is also one of my favorite Fisher preamp as well and it has very outstanding emotional characteristic (outstanding sadness tone). FYI, the weakness of Fisher 50-C and Fisher 400CX-2 is lack of manhood when reproduce male song. However, Fisher 80-C and 90-C can produce very beautiful and presence of male and female voice. Personally, I feel the tone quality of Fisher 80-C is slight better than Fisher 90-C as it has slightly smoother, comfort and warmer tone, but Fisher 90-C has much flexible on tone control and solidity (as it has function of rumble filter and presence). I’m sure that both preamps are not user friendly at all specially Fisher 90-C. However, both preamp provide extremely flexible on tone control for sure.

The emotional expression of Fisher 50-C and Fisher 400CX-2 is much pleasure and happy, but Fisher 80-C and Fisher 90-C has better ability to present richness of sadness tone. You can feel very different when you are using Fisher 400CX-2 and Fisher 80-C to play the same sadness violin music.

FYI, Many Pilot preamps can also present very outstanding sadness emotion but also very good at reproduction of male voice in slow. Pilot preamp also has very warm, mellow, smooth and gentle tone in slow. However, the disadvantage of Pilot preamp is too gentle in speech and slightly slow in sonic response. Lack of manhood when represent male voice in fast is one of the greatest weakness of Pilot if compared to Fisher 80-C or Fisher 90-C.

Pilotrol

正式會員
218.xxx.xxx.126

2006-06-10 11:11

[#57] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers
About 80C, from back view, which tube is for phono stage?

I also had tried setting the loudness balance a step higher and get a better (fuller) sound with increase speed driving 232 (80c+232 run too slow BTW). Thanks for the tips, Alan. Rgds, KY.

rsbn589

正式會員
60.xxx.xxx.133

2006-06-10 11:33

[#58] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers
About 80C, from back view, which tube is for phono stage?
________________________________________________

V1 ^___^

dd845

正式會員
203.xxx.xxx.25

2006-06-10 11:55

[#59] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers
Dear rsbn589

The first 12AX7 (V1) at the opposite end of 12AU7.

Best regards
Alan

Pilotrol

正式會員
218.xxx.xxx.126

2006-06-10 11:58

[#60] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers
When you are using the phono preamp section, beside you set the phono EQ setting to "RIAA". You can also try other alternative setting on phone EQ setting as well, it will slightly affect the sound characteristic and tone balance of your caritage. Just my 2 cents!

Pilotrol

正式會員
218.xxx.xxx.126

2006-06-10 12:02

[#61] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers
About 80C, from back view, which tube is for phono stage?
__________________________________________

V1 ^___^
The first 12AX7 (V1) at the opposite end of 12AU7.
-----------------------
Is it the first left unit from back view?

rsbn589

正式會員
60.xxx.xxx.133

2006-06-10 12:10

[#62] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers
Sure I can offer you a chance to A/B test your Fisher 80-C and Pilot SP-210 in the future if you think the time is ready. Sorry that I will not be available in June and hopefully in July?
----------------------------------------

Talking the 80C, I recalled the pre amp test conducted on 2005-09-03. Fisher 80C scored the least marks. Perhaps non- matching with other gears during the test was the reason.

Gingers

正式會員
221.xxx.xxx.148

2006-06-10 22:58

[#63] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers
President version :-)

Gingers

正式會員
221.xxx.xxx.148

2006-06-10 23:47

[#64] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers
Dear John

I have the Fisher 50-C and 80-C, but I also owned Eico HF-61, HF-65, Marantz 7C, 1 and pre-1 before. Believe Tim and I would not agree with this result.

To look for a preamp is very depending on sound, musical and emotional quality you like, but I never rate preamp by score.

Honestly speaking, the tone and emotional quality of Fisher 50-C is far better than Eico HF-65 and Marantz one in my limited understanding. The only possibility of Fisher 50-C poor sound than Eico or Marantz 1 is cap or design modified by the user.

To aviod misleading the others, It's welcome to bring the Eico HF-65 or any version of Marantz 1 (I owned goodall or black beauty version before) to me for A/B test.

Best regards
Alan

Pilotrol

正式會員
203.xxx.xxx.249

2006-06-11 09:14

[#65] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers
Alan

It was for fun only. We were all reminded the result would be completely different due to the matshing of the other gears and the condition of the pre amplifier itself.

In fact, I bought my Fisher 400CX-2 after the test.

Gingers

正式會員
221.xxx.xxx.185

2006-06-11 09:33

[#66] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers
I still recalled it was a great party. It was a blind test and the attendants were more than 12. Great fun.

Gingers

正式會員
221.xxx.xxx.185

2006-06-11 09:38

[#67] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers

Gingers

正式會員
221.xxx.xxx.185

2006-06-11 09:41

[#68] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers
Alan

Is there any difference between the President 400CX-2 with other 400CX-2?

Any story behind?

John

Gingers

正式會員
221.xxx.xxx.185

2006-06-11 11:03

[#69] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers