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| [#56] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers Fisher 80-C is also one of my favorite Fisher preamp as well and it has very outstanding emotional characteristic (outstanding sadness tone). FYI, the weakness of Fisher 50-C and Fisher 400CX-2 is lack of manhood when reproduce male song. However, Fisher 80-C and 90-C can produce very beautiful and presence of male and female voice. Personally, I feel the tone quality of Fisher 80-C is slight better than Fisher 90-C as it has slightly smoother, comfort and warmer tone, but Fisher 90-C has much flexible on tone control and solidity (as it has function of rumble filter and presence). I’m sure that both preamps are not user friendly at all specially Fisher 90-C. However, both preamp provide extremely flexible on tone control for sure. The emotional expression of Fisher 50-C and Fisher 400CX-2 is much pleasure and happy, but Fisher 80-C and Fisher 90-C has better ability to present richness of sadness tone. You can feel very different when you are using Fisher 400CX-2 and Fisher 80-C to play the same sadness violin music. FYI, Many Pilot preamps can also present very outstanding sadness emotion but also very good at reproduction of male voice in slow. Pilot preamp also has very warm, mellow, smooth and gentle tone in slow. However, the disadvantage of Pilot preamp is too gentle in speech and slightly slow in sonic response. Lack of manhood when represent male voice in fast is one of the greatest weakness of Pilot if compared to Fisher 80-C or Fisher 90-C. |
Pilotrol 正式會員218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-06-10 11:11 | |
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| [#57] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers About 80C, from back view, which tube is for phono stage? I also had tried setting the loudness balance a step higher and get a better (fuller) sound with increase speed driving 232 (80c+232 run too slow BTW). Thanks for the tips, Alan. Rgds, KY. |
rsbn589 正式會員 60.xxx.xxx.133 |
2006-06-10 11:33 |
| [#58] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers About 80C, from back view, which tube is for phono stage? ________________________________________________ V1 ^___^ |
dd845 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.25 |
2006-06-10 11:55 |
| [#59] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers Dear rsbn589 The first 12AX7 (V1) at the opposite end of 12AU7. Best regards Alan |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-06-10 11:58 |
| [#60] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers When you are using the phono preamp section, beside you set the phono EQ setting to "RIAA". You can also try other alternative setting on phone EQ setting as well, it will slightly affect the sound characteristic and tone balance of your caritage. Just my 2 cents! |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-06-10 12:02 |
| [#61] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers About 80C, from back view, which tube is for phono stage? __________________________________________ V1 ^___^ The first 12AX7 (V1) at the opposite end of 12AU7. ----------------------- Is it the first left unit from back view? |
rsbn589 正式會員 60.xxx.xxx.133 |
2006-06-10 12:10 |
| [#62] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers Sure I can offer you a chance to A/B test your Fisher 80-C and Pilot SP-210 in the future if you think the time is ready. Sorry that I will not be available in June and hopefully in July? ---------------------------------------- Talking the 80C, I recalled the pre amp test conducted on 2005-09-03. Fisher 80C scored the least marks. Perhaps non- matching with other gears during the test was the reason.  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.148 |
2006-06-10 22:58 |
| [#63] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers President version :-)  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.148 |
2006-06-10 23:47 |
| [#64] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers Dear John I have the Fisher 50-C and 80-C, but I also owned Eico HF-61, HF-65, Marantz 7C, 1 and pre-1 before. Believe Tim and I would not agree with this result. To look for a preamp is very depending on sound, musical and emotional quality you like, but I never rate preamp by score. Honestly speaking, the tone and emotional quality of Fisher 50-C is far better than Eico HF-65 and Marantz one in my limited understanding. The only possibility of Fisher 50-C poor sound than Eico or Marantz 1 is cap or design modified by the user. To aviod misleading the others, It's welcome to bring the Eico HF-65 or any version of Marantz 1 (I owned goodall or black beauty version before) to me for A/B test. Best regards Alan |
Pilotrol 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.249 |
2006-06-11 09:14 |
| [#65] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers Alan It was for fun only. We were all reminded the result would be completely different due to the matshing of the other gears and the condition of the pre amplifier itself. In fact, I bought my Fisher 400CX-2 after the test.  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.185 |
2006-06-11 09:33 |
| [#66] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers I still recalled it was a great party. It was a blind test and the attendants were more than 12. Great fun.  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.185 |
2006-06-11 09:38 |
[#67] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.185 |
2006-06-11 09:41 |
| [#68] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers Alan Is there any difference between the President 400CX-2 with other 400CX-2? Any story behind? John |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.185 |
2006-06-11 11:03 |
[#69] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.121 |
2006-06-11 20:04 |
[#70] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.121 |
2006-06-11 20:15 |
[#71] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.121 |
2006-06-11 20:16 |
[#72] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.121 |
2006-06-11 20:16 |
[#73] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.121 |
2006-06-11 20:17 |
[#74] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.121 |
2006-06-11 20:19 |
| [#75] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers Dear John Fisher 400CX-2 is replacement model of Fisher 400CX introduced in 1961. Actually, Fisher 400CX-2 has three versions, the very early version is using 4 x 12 AT7 with brass front plate, second version is using 4 x 7247 with brown front plate and the last version is using 4 x 7247 with silver front plate. In fact, Fisher President preamp is console version of 400CX-2. FYI, Fisher also issued brass version and silver version of Fisher President preamp in different period. Believe your silver version is late period with 7247. FYI, Fisher also issued Fisher 400CX-3 after mid-60's and it has on/off knob on the right hand side of the front panel. Best regards Alan |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-06-12 08:25 |
