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| [#65] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers Alan It was for fun only. We were all reminded the result would be completely different due to the matshing of the other gears and the condition of the pre amplifier itself. In fact, I bought my Fisher 400CX-2 after the test.  |
Gingers 正式會員221.xxx.xxx.185 |
2006-06-11 09:33 | |
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| [#66] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers I still recalled it was a great party. It was a blind test and the attendants were more than 12. Great fun.  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.185 |
2006-06-11 09:38 |
[#67] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.185 |
2006-06-11 09:41 |
| [#68] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers Alan Is there any difference between the President 400CX-2 with other 400CX-2? Any story behind? John  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.185 |
2006-06-11 11:03 |
[#69] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.121 |
2006-06-11 20:04 |
[#70] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.121 |
2006-06-11 20:15 |
[#71] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.121 |
2006-06-11 20:16 |
[#72] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.121 |
2006-06-11 20:16 |
[#73] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.121 |
2006-06-11 20:17 |
[#74] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.121 |
2006-06-11 20:19 |
| [#75] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers Dear John Fisher 400CX-2 is replacement model of Fisher 400CX introduced in 1961. Actually, Fisher 400CX-2 has three versions, the very early version is using 4 x 12 AT7 with brass front plate, second version is using 4 x 7247 with brown front plate and the last version is using 4 x 7247 with silver front plate. In fact, Fisher President preamp is console version of 400CX-2. FYI, Fisher also issued brass version and silver version of Fisher President preamp in different period. Believe your silver version is late period with 7247. FYI, Fisher also issued Fisher 400CX-3 after mid-60's and it has on/off knob on the right hand side of the front panel. Best regards Alan |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-06-12 08:25 |
| [#76] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers Alan Thanks for your sharing. An expert indeed. John |
Gingers 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.4 |
2006-06-12 09:28 |
| [#77] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers Dear John You are always welcome! I never rated the gear by score, because different people usually have different taste toward music and sound. I would say if a gear has advantage at one end, it also will always have disadvantage at the other end. The point is we must understand what kinds of characteristic of sound and music we expect the most before we buy. Personally, a good quality amplifier or preamp will always have outstanding sound characteristics, but the outstanding characteristic usually is also the weakness of the gear as well. For example, the selling point of Fisher 50-C is emotion, purity, realism and outstanding harmonic extension. It has outstanding high and mid-high range with very smooth emotion and musical flow, the bass is smooth, soft but deep. The disadvantage of Fisher 50-C is lack of solidity, thickness of bass and slightly lack of details if compared to the late period product. The outstanding harmonic extension is also limited the speed of sonic response as well. The goody of Fisher 50-C is reproduce female voice, violin, light Jazz and classic chamber. Reproduce of Rock & Pop and male voice with manhood is always its weakness of Fisher 50-C. If we A/B tests Fisher 50-C VS McIntosh C-22 with Rock music, I strongly believe most of audiophile will vote for McIntosh C-22. If we A/B tests both preamps with female song, I strongly believe most of audiophile will vote for Fisher 50-C. Beside sound characteristic, the emotional characteristic is another issue. For example, the Fisher 80-C has better ability on express the sadness emotion than Fisher 400CX-2. When you play sadness song, the Fisher 80-C will have advantage on sadness emotional expression than Fisher 400CX-2. However, when you play pleasure and happy song, than Fisher 400CX-2 will have better emotional expression than Fisher 80-C for sure. In fact, hi-fi setting skill can made big different on presentation of music and sound. I saw people vote Fisher 80-C at low score and I strongly believe people only test this preamp in “flat”, but do not really know the potential of this preamp after apply tone control. Best regards Alan |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-06-12 10:46 |
[#78] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
老友 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.24 |
2006-06-12 10:56 |
[#79] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
老友 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.24 |
2006-06-12 11:34 |
[#80] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers  |
老友 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.24 |
2006-06-12 11:36 |
| [#81] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers I never rated the gear by score, because different people usually have different taste toward music and sound. I would say if a gear has advantage at one end, it also will always have disadvantage at the other end. The point is we must understand what kinds of characteristic of sound and music we expect the most before we buy. -------------------------------------- Alan I 100% agree. It was a great party at Richard's place. More than 15 vintage lovers took part in the gathering. In order to make the audition running smoothly, we chose the easier way to comment all the pre amplifiers. We were given a paper to mark the scores during the blind tests :-) To add fun, we guessed the the pre amplifiers during the blind test. I should point out the two Marantz One users just recongized Marantz One without any problem. In fact the Marantz One had a signature tube it could be easily recognised. John |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.186 |
2006-06-12 19:36 |
| [#82] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifiers The comparison was fair and square. Even the output level was matched with measuring instrument. However, it must also be pointed out that the Leak power amp used in the party has a sensitivity rating of 0.15V for full power. 99.999% of power amp in the world will have far far lower sensitivity. So the result is perhaps most relevant for Leak power amp users. |
timtube 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.155 |
2006-06-12 23:37 |
| [#83] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier hehe....two of my four 50c fishes wor :) |
nec 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.31 |
2006-06-13 10:03 |
| [#84] Fisher and Pilot 古董同好會 ~ Vintage Amplifier They are final version (5th period) Fisher 50-C. This period equipped with Goodall cap, it sounds very transparent, pure and clear. It is slightly faster than the early period with Bumble Bee. |
Pilotrol 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2006-06-13 11:41 |
