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[#1] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。音響第一要：音質音響第二要：音色音響第三要：高、中、低各頻段量感的分佈與控制力音響第四要：音場表現音響第五要：聲音的密度與重量感音響第六要：透明感音響第七要：層次感音響第八要：定位感音響第九要：活生感音響第十要：結像力與形體感音響第十一要：解析力音響第十二要：速度感與暫態反應音響第十三要：強弱對比與動態對比音響第十四要：樂器與人聲的大小比例音響第十五要：樂器與人聲的質感、空氣感音響十六要：細節再生音響第十七要：空間感音響第十八要：整體平衡性音響第十九要：器材個性音響第二十要：搭配上的推薦 ------------------- 個人認為，聽了舒服、就是好音響。		1398 正式會員 124.xxx.xxx.81	2011-06-05 16:54

[#2] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
個人認為,玩HIFI當然要高傳真,

音場表現,層次感,解析力,樂器與人聲的質感、空氣感,強弱對比與動態對比,細節再生,空間感

我覺得最重要,

要聽了舒服,其實入門音響都做到了,只要調到中頻突出,低頻淋化,高音磨走,

蘋果粉絲

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2011-06-05 17:31

[#3] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
能够盡量'以假亂真'的就是好音響

'真'的不識不曉不理, '假'的就莫辨了

甚麽甚自已喜好, 耳順, 舒服 ,示波代人, 旗艦..都可以

但是, 亂真程度又達到幾多呢 !?

diytfy

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183.xxx.xxx.236

2011-06-05 17:33

[#4] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
RE:diytfy

因此小弟覺得很多人說什麼音樂感,音色之前,
要知道自己的傳真度有幾高,
不然沒有傳真度而去談什麼音色,
就等同拿一件豬扒化妝,可能自己喜歡,不過不是人人受樂.

音響只要有傳真度才可稱HIFI，
它要表現緊張的聲音給你聽,
但你就覺得太緊張,入不到耳而調得它不刺激,
這只是本抹倒至。

只要唱者有感情,錄音有水平,
自自然你就聽到他的感情表現,
但是如果住住加添味精,
這只是個人口味,
好像有人喜歡食魚生加"是"油一樣,
只是食"是"油味

蘋果粉絲

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2011-06-05 17:43

[#5] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
要聽了舒服,其實入門音響都做到了,只要調到中頻突出,低頻淋化,高音磨走,

蘋果粉絲 ... agree.

Recording microphones are placed nomrally MUCH CLOSER to instrument, so a REAL good HIFI setup in fact should be able to reproduce extreme high dynamic (higher than sitting in the 7th row of concert hall)which to many people, is TOO dynamics or too bright, and they start to criticise, some just say 聽了舒服、就是好音響 .... ??? ... an entry level equipment will do fine in that case

ll77hk

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218.xxx.xxx.93

2011-06-05 20:35

[#6] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
not always close mics recordings.

Some single mic, two-mics classic recordings, if you are able to hear instrument A 10-20 feet apart from a mic, and another instrument B is 50-60 feet (usually the drum) away from the mic. such defination is one requirement of 以假亂真

for close mic recordings, like most percussions the sound is sharp, edgy , explosive. If you like it, it won't be a comfortable musics , won't be elegant.. but exciting.

diytfy

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183.xxx.xxx.236

2011-06-05 21:28

[#7] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
Many years of so call HIFI up-grade experiences lead to believe, the better the equipments are, they mostly come with better(HIGHER) dynamics, often STARTLING and somethimes riding on the fine line of being EDGY (yes!) .... because good recording mics pick up signals much closer to the instrument when compare to the distance from our ears in real life ( I also listen to lots of jazz recording)..... therefore I'm NOT sure the statement.." 聽了舒服、就是好音響 "?

聽了舒服、就是好音響 --＞ good music, all personal and subjective, that's fine with me, but ..

聽了舒服、就是好音響 --＞ good HiFi ... to me I do not agree

ll77hk

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2011-06-05 22:21

[#8] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
所以我都唔明白好多人仲沉醉係自己個人主觀世界內,
好的HIFI是傳真度高,可以令你看得見的音場,
正確我們是向這方面前進,

如果要聽了舒服、就是好音響,其實要求太低了.而且只限聽人聲.也說不上是好HIFI,
可能叫可以叫好的LOW FI

蘋果粉絲

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2011-06-05 22:33

[#9] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
But hifi is hifi and the major shortfall in the chain is still speakers. I believe even the best speakers in the Market today are not 高傳真度. Indeed the instruments themselves are contradicted. Saxophone should sound more metallic but the violin should not sound edgy.

I would rate more to the coherence of the sound in the hifi system which should able to draw you in the music. If the system only draws your attention to a few parameters and to listen for a particular track in the cd, the system is shit whether it costs is high end or low end.

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mda

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2011-06-05 22:56

[#10] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
別人認為好的音響，並不一定代表一定適合你。就好像有人喝酒、卻有人愛品茶一樣。只要你個人聽了感覺舒服，以「個人感官」去理解已算得上是好(合適你)的音響，因為那是合適你個人口味的聲音的選擇，而最終享受的人也是你自己！

音響的目的是要重播音樂，而音樂就是人類利用聲音表達出人類想表達的意境和情感的一種方式。對小弟來說音響只要能利用聲音良好地傳達意境和情感就是好的音響，相反只能重播聲音而不能傳達情感和音樂意境的卻並不是好的音響...!

小弟認為音響最困難的地方並不是重播聲音，而是音響播出來的音樂背後的情感能否打動人心！

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Pilotrol

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2011-06-05 23:08

[#11] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
1)When we say PLAYING "HiFi" we want most(you can name more if you like) attributes in #1 below (priorities are too personal, don't get cross at that).

2)When I ENJOY music I don't care too much about those attributes at all;

I believe most C Hings in R33 involve in BOTH 1) & 2) above, but FOR 1) above there is NO way 聽了舒服、就是好音響(HIFI)...

ll77hk

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218.xxx.xxx.93

2011-06-05 23:18

[#12] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
The 20 terms found in #1 are said by the Taiwan hifi magazine which are in fact the terms popularly used by HP of TAS in the 80s. The terms are used so the writers could express more for comparison. When I was young I loved to use these terms too but as grow older I found that hifi and music just could not be sub divided into these terms. Well I would say much depending in your music taste. The best system may be able to recreate the soundstage and image of the small jazz group but no way any system would create the scale of the classical music, not even the attack and the dacay of the piano sound alone.

Therefore it is very little joy with endless frustration when aiming to achieve these 20 parameters with endless tweaks instead of listening music when this is the aim of hifi.

mda

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2011-06-05 23:54

[#13] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
自我感情用事, 就是迷惑, 悟會,
沒有高保真前題說玩音響如何, 跟本就是走在奀路

看見不少人錯, 而且一路錯下去而不知
更不能客觀地接受現實, 活在自我的思維

我覺得高保真, 才是對作曲, 演奏家的原本思維, 功力的專重。

diytfy

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2011-06-05 23:58

[#14] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
For people just going for 聽了舒服、就是好音響, they wouldn't have a clue, take an example of my fourite, how amazingly fast and accruate Lionel Hampton improvising / playing his vibraphone across the "sound field" from left to right and front to back and jaming with vibrating sound from the brass played by Benwester, to me without genuine 高保真, people just don't know how skillful and how involved the musicians are. this is what I call play HiFi, 聽了舒服、就是好音響 is not good enough.

When I'm in the right mood to "listening" rather than "playing" HiFi, I don't complaint why my system can't be better .... perhaps I only complaint why there are only 2 complete Chopin piano concertos and only 5 from Beethoven ... should be like Mozart and Hydn ... I'm greedy indeed ...

ll77hk

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2011-06-06 00:20

[#15] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
The problem is that the source, say LP or CD is still a can music. The reverb could be added by the producer and I bet in 100 different systems you could hear so many variances and you cannot tell which are the most correct unless you are the musician or the producer himself.

JBL, electrostatics, horns, WE, Wilsons, or other speakers would have different sounds, together with different amps you have endless variances and no one knows which is correct. No system would have the speed of OTL + horns but neither have the neurtalness of Wilsons + Boulder or the seduceness of WE claimed. All designers are claiming their products sound most correct with different theories.

The argument is endless although it is not difficult to understand the baseline requirement of a good system.

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mda

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2011-06-06 00:38

[#16] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
I think this issue or something similar has been debated since 70s in stereophile and tas and there were many writings in the hk magazines in the late 80s and 90s.

mda

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2011-06-06 00:40

[#17] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
找來有玩真樂器的朋友一聽,
你套系統有多少還原度和傳真自自然逃不出他的耳仔,
雖然世上沒有一套可以還原完全真實的效果,
不過我們應盡力做得多少就多少,
正如現在的電視雖然很清很立體,
不過也和真實有一定距離,
但是你會否喜歡十年前的低清效果呢??
可能有人喜歡,但原因都是個人口味

有了傳真度才可以談音色,這裡應有高手可以做到,

但往往好多人就注重音色,漸漸走遠正確必要的傳真
不是弄得中頻太突出,就是低頻沒有質感線條,
沒有音場.....只是得一個大口唱歌......

蘋果粉絲

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203.xxx.xxx.127

2011-06-06 14:11

[#18] 聽了舒服、就是好音響。
個人認為，聽了舒服、就是好音響。X NNNNNNNNNNNNNN
因為真樂器聽了就會令人舒服。