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[#10] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
從來沒有Hi-end名牌靠名人推廣,反而幾千蚊嘅機就大量利用名人宣傳,如果一部幾千蚊機比十萬元的機好聲,點解佢唔賣十萬蚊?故此,價錢始終由音質決定,而音質由消費者決定,市場定律。明顯地,市場有少數人其耳朵是聽不到的葡萄是酸的。
maga
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2021-10-13 12:03
[#11] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
好聲一定貴

但貴不一定好聲
phil.ng
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2021-10-13 12:04
[#12] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
我用dCS/EMM lab/Playback Design做參考。Accuphase都好聲但有啲唔同。

1. 通常貴嘢用貴transport
2. 佢哋用programmable IC 再用自己software 解碼
3. 另外再有2X 4X 等等upsampling。因為自己寫software,完全冇難度
4. 唔會係材料省錢。靚靚材料多層線路板,貴貴火牛,貴貴clock chip,重重機殼
5. 全部由SACD發展開始到宜家好有經驗

其中2 3 4 5 唔係有錢搞掂。有人才發展軟件最難。

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2021-10-13 13:45
[#13] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
香印提子,又名麝香葡萄,一年只有一次?收成,大概是五月尾至十月。其實一開始香印提子成長時是很長,很大束。但農夫?‍?會慢慢修剪,務求把下面提子的養份都推上去,因此收成的提子才能這麼大粒,而且要保留提子的樹枝位,這樣送禮才得體。農夫對待香印提子花盡心思,亦解釋為何香印提子的價格如此高昂。

日本香印提子之所以聞名世界,係因為佢有其它提子冇嘅玫瑰?花香味,而且冇核、香甜?、多汁?、脆皮。糖度甚至可以去到20度以上!
當你食第一口嘅時候已經可以嚐試到果種畢生難忘?嘅花香?味,果汁?係口入面爆發嘅感覺。
Phil.ng
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2021-10-13 14:13
[#14] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
師兄,你好叻呀
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2021-10-13 14:47
[#15] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#1

其實好多發燒要求的微弱訊息是誇張了高音推出來的。真既現場表現,企係歌手前面十尺都聽唔到.... 不搞清楚那種效果似真實,好難有一可靠標準分辨好壞。
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2021-10-13 14:50
[#16] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#15 × 2

個人認為最好是靚hall內,用兩三隻釣咪

連hall 聲都收錄
Phil.ng
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2021-10-13 15:03
[#17] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#1

I used to have the dCS P8i Mk2 (cost almost $100k HKD for new), nad now using the Pioneer PD-70AE (Cost 17k HKD for new), they are sounding in different timbre without any question, coz they are from different brand, with their own signature sound. The most significant different between the 100K and 17k SACD player in my system is that the 100k dCS make me more involving in music, the vocal is sounding more "Real" and "organic", more musical, better pace and rhythmic, I did audit the Wadax flagship SACD transport with the DAC costing ONE million HKD in my friend's system, comparing to the 100k dCS, it just simply being much more organic, rich of details , lush, but never boring, and never being clinical, over emphasize for details.

It is quite hard to evaluate a piece of component unless it is in one's own system or reference system familiar with.
blackspin
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2021-10-13 15:49
[#18] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
I guess the better question is why wanna SACD player or buy SACD and have a listen to see if this is one's cup of tea. If I must listen to SACD, I probably would prefer a cheaper ones as the strength of SACD does not really suit my liking.

Just my own experience and preference of coz. I have listened to quite a few SACD recordings and somehow it always give me some kind of fake sound stage reproduction. The details is great I supposed but what really bothered me was the imagining being too pin point with clean edge between each point. Kind of reminds me of the earlier days LED TV when the things on the screen just looked like bits and pieces of paper cuts stick together. There is just less blending in of sounds like live music does. Quite distracting and definitely does not resembles true life music presentation if one wants to make their system sounds like real and lively.

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BenYC
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2021-10-13 16:24
[#19] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
如果冇極好聆聽空間,唔值得投資超高價器材。

>十分認同,冇咁嘅空間根本浪費咗啲靚器材
RCA073
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2021-10-13 16:57
[#20] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#18,

May I know which SACD player and recording brought you such experience? So far, I am quite enjoy the SACD with good recording, no matter is on a Pioneer Universal Player or a million dollars SACD combo.......
blackspin
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2021-10-13 17:15
[#21] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#20

A few marantz and dcs combo over the years but never paid attention to model numbers...

Yet, one should also note that I am no longer a keen "audiophile". I just want a system that sound normal and don't shout out "I'm here. I'm here.". I also stick to normal red book and youtube impresses me enough that I listen to YouTube 80% of the time these days.

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BenYC
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2021-10-13 17:23
[#22] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#19.如果冇極好聆聽空間,唔值得投資超高價器材。


>>空間感比喻音响,就好似一輛行駛中汽車,

200ft 60km 300ft 80km , 1000ft 當然 130km 速度。

CS168
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2021-10-13 17:31
[#23] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#20 我十多年前丶地庫賣的 大陸 XRCD(可能是假 SACD)丶真差丶但好sharp, 吉耳丶SACD 就未遇過

我的sacd 可能夠運丶沒有 #18 的問題丶多是多了"空氣感"丶鬆容

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phil.ng
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2021-10-13 17:50
[#24] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#21

I see.......the Marantz and dCS should be relatively musical than some other SACD combo/player such as EMM Labs, CH Precision, Esoteric....... I think it is a kind of personal preference........ but lush, rich in details, high resolution but not being clinical is really demanding for most audiophile system.

I can understand what yo mean, my primary music source is Turntable, SACD/CD player is for easy listening or when I music that does not have vinyl. I think you will not compliant about the 3 dimensional imaging airy and spacious sound stage reproduced by Analog system, isn't it?
blackspin
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2021-10-13 18:00
[#25] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#24

Indeed it all boils down to priority and preference.

I don't mind a lacking system but I cannot stand an overpowering one. In a way, missing certain details is fine for me but giving me extra will just drive me nuts. On top of that, many system can be tiring to ears after a short while. For me, if a system lacks resolution, all I need to do is to turn the volume down and it will resemble a far away listening perspective.

What many modern high res systems really bother me is that at normal listening level, the details just does not match the perceived distance. Say ,if I listening to a song with volume like the singer is 10 feet away, how can I also hear the singer's extreme solid focus and ultra breathing and saliva details which cannot be heard unless only inches away....

Again, I am no audiophile...
BenYC
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2021-10-13 18:24
[#26] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機的最大分別是音質。我玩過兩三萬以下的 SACD 機,事後覺得畢如玩部好些的 CD 機。玩 SACD 機,要玩 top model, 或者至少要過十萬。

好的 SACD 機分析力好,除左假的 SACD, SACD 的音質比 CD 圓滑飽滿,低音沈實,高音順滑,整體聽來音色自然一啲,相對 SACD, CD 聲生硬少少,不過個要 AB 比較先聽得到,但同 LP 比都係差。

好的 CD 都已經好好聲,要唔要好的 SACD 機,睇個人追求啦。
Forfun
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2021-10-13 18:26
[#27] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
好多經典嘅錄音同埋演繹都冇出SACD

用嚟製作近代SACD嘅母帶已經殘破不堪

莫講話數碼器材,近代嘅再版黑膠碟都完全唔可以同頭版比較,聲音木訥欠鮮活

仲有好多近代製作嘅軟件都被多手仔搞到啲EQ不倫不類

仲有最緊要一樣野,好多頭版嘅CD 已經好靚聲,你俾我揀我寧願要頭版CD都好過要再版嘅SACD

Chord 嘅解碼經已證實咗red book format 都夠晒靚聲
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2021-10-13 18:37
[#28] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
試簡單答

去試同一廠丶如 Luxman 03 一路上到 10丶就會聴到一級級上的分別
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2021-10-13 23:29
[#29] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#27: red book format 都夠晒靚聲X2
15--16
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