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[#15] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#1

其實好多發燒要求的微弱訊息是誇張了高音推出來的。真既現場表現,企係歌手前面十尺都聽唔到.... 不搞清楚那種效果似真實,好難有一可靠標準分辨好壞。
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[#16] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#15 × 2

個人認為最好是靚hall內,用兩三隻釣咪

連hall 聲都收錄
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2021-10-13 15:03
[#17] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#1

I used to have the dCS P8i Mk2 (cost almost $100k HKD for new), nad now using the Pioneer PD-70AE (Cost 17k HKD for new), they are sounding in different timbre without any question, coz they are from different brand, with their own signature sound. The most significant different between the 100K and 17k SACD player in my system is that the 100k dCS make me more involving in music, the vocal is sounding more "Real" and "organic", more musical, better pace and rhythmic, I did audit the Wadax flagship SACD transport with the DAC costing ONE million HKD in my friend's system, comparing to the 100k dCS, it just simply being much more organic, rich of details , lush, but never boring, and never being clinical, over emphasize for details.

It is quite hard to evaluate a piece of component unless it is in one's own system or reference system familiar with.
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2021-10-13 15:49
[#18] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
I guess the better question is why wanna SACD player or buy SACD and have a listen to see if this is one's cup of tea. If I must listen to SACD, I probably would prefer a cheaper ones as the strength of SACD does not really suit my liking.

Just my own experience and preference of coz. I have listened to quite a few SACD recordings and somehow it always give me some kind of fake sound stage reproduction. The details is great I supposed but what really bothered me was the imagining being too pin point with clean edge between each point. Kind of reminds me of the earlier days LED TV when the things on the screen just looked like bits and pieces of paper cuts stick together. There is just less blending in of sounds like live music does. Quite distracting and definitely does not resembles true life music presentation if one wants to make their system sounds like real and lively.

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2021-10-13 16:24
[#19] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
如果冇極好聆聽空間,唔值得投資超高價器材。

>十分認同,冇咁嘅空間根本浪費咗啲靚器材
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2021-10-13 16:57
[#20] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#18,

May I know which SACD player and recording brought you such experience? So far, I am quite enjoy the SACD with good recording, no matter is on a Pioneer Universal Player or a million dollars SACD combo.......
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2021-10-13 17:15
[#21] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#20

A few marantz and dcs combo over the years but never paid attention to model numbers...

Yet, one should also note that I am no longer a keen "audiophile". I just want a system that sound normal and don't shout out "I'm here. I'm here.". I also stick to normal red book and youtube impresses me enough that I listen to YouTube 80% of the time these days.

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[#22] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#19.如果冇極好聆聽空間,唔值得投資超高價器材。


>>空間感比喻音响,就好似一輛行駛中汽車,

200ft 60km 300ft 80km , 1000ft 當然 130km 速度。

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[#23] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#20 我十多年前丶地庫賣的 大陸 XRCD(可能是假 SACD)丶真差丶但好sharp, 吉耳丶SACD 就未遇過

我的sacd 可能夠運丶沒有 #18 的問題丶多是多了"空氣感"丶鬆容

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[#24] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#21

I see.......the Marantz and dCS should be relatively musical than some other SACD combo/player such as EMM Labs, CH Precision, Esoteric....... I think it is a kind of personal preference........ but lush, rich in details, high resolution but not being clinical is really demanding for most audiophile system.

I can understand what yo mean, my primary music source is Turntable, SACD/CD player is for easy listening or when I music that does not have vinyl. I think you will not compliant about the 3 dimensional imaging airy and spacious sound stage reproduced by Analog system, isn't it?
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2021-10-13 18:00
[#25] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#24

Indeed it all boils down to priority and preference.

I don't mind a lacking system but I cannot stand an overpowering one. In a way, missing certain details is fine for me but giving me extra will just drive me nuts. On top of that, many system can be tiring to ears after a short while. For me, if a system lacks resolution, all I need to do is to turn the volume down and it will resemble a far away listening perspective.

What many modern high res systems really bother me is that at normal listening level, the details just does not match the perceived distance. Say ,if I listening to a song with volume like the singer is 10 feet away, how can I also hear the singer's extreme solid focus and ultra breathing and saliva details which cannot be heard unless only inches away....

Again, I am no audiophile...
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[#26] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機的最大分別是音質。我玩過兩三萬以下的 SACD 機,事後覺得畢如玩部好些的 CD 機。玩 SACD 機,要玩 top model, 或者至少要過十萬。

好的 SACD 機分析力好,除左假的 SACD, SACD 的音質比 CD 圓滑飽滿,低音沈實,高音順滑,整體聽來音色自然一啲,相對 SACD, CD 聲生硬少少,不過個要 AB 比較先聽得到,但同 LP 比都係差。

好的 CD 都已經好好聲,要唔要好的 SACD 機,睇個人追求啦。
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2021-10-13 18:26
[#27] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
好多經典嘅錄音同埋演繹都冇出SACD

用嚟製作近代SACD嘅母帶已經殘破不堪

莫講話數碼器材,近代嘅再版黑膠碟都完全唔可以同頭版比較,聲音木訥欠鮮活

仲有好多近代製作嘅軟件都被多手仔搞到啲EQ不倫不類

仲有最緊要一樣野,好多頭版嘅CD 已經好靚聲,你俾我揀我寧願要頭版CD都好過要再版嘅SACD

Chord 嘅解碼經已證實咗red book format 都夠晒靚聲
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2021-10-13 18:37
[#28] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
試簡單答

去試同一廠丶如 Luxman 03 一路上到 10丶就會聴到一級級上的分別
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[#29] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#27: red book format 都夠晒靚聲X2
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[#30] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
樓主問 平貴 Sacd player 分別, 就像有人問平貴 Porsche 分別丶由 Boxster 到 918 Spyde、911 GT2 RS

最正及快當然是918 Spyde。但答........香港路 Honda type R 就夠玩丶會不會是答不中丶離了題!?

就像廿多年前丶有人話丶DVD 倍線上 1080就夠睇丶現時就知吾夠!

其實 DSD format 全嬴 pcm 16/44.1, 如用同一"母帶", 同一製作人丶同一mixing panel, 同一部 CD/SACD player, DSD/SACD一定靚過 16/44.1

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[#31] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#27.
呢樣真!
話說有班新手連反相都聽唔出!
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2021-10-14 11:47
[#32] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
幾十年前嘅經典錄音就買頭版CD算了

近代錄音(唔係remastered,真係最近先至錄製) 就可以買SACD 玩吓
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2021-10-14 12:00
[#33] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#30

SACD、DSD 制式的確係好好

但係軟件未必配合到,經典錄音remastered 成為SACD,失去咗好多嘢

所以我哋嘅Focus應否集中響貴價SACD 或DSD 重播儀器身上?

如果Milstein 錄製佢嗰啲Bach Sonatas Partitas 嘅時候有得選擇DSD 或者red book, 我毫無疑問會揀DSD

至於用價錢來衡量品質,我個人認為只適合用於同一隻牌子嘅產品圍內作比較。 你俾無限咁多錢我發板,我會揀Chord 唔揀dCS (Chord 平一大截)
Thanatos
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2021-10-14 12:09
[#34] 想請教一下 平價sacd機 同貴價sacd機分別    
#31

大部分古典cd都係反相,唔好話新手,老手都係當正相咁聽
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