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| [#1] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? 如題 |
nassau 正式會員116.xxx.xxx.221 |
2008-05-14 20:59 | |
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| [#2] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? Never think Cardas is sweet. Only a boost in mids but at the expense of higher frequency extension, dynamics, texture and bass reproduction. A trash cable targeting the inexperienced audiophiles only! |
IBMR51 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.27 |
2008-05-14 22:12 |
| [#3] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? 唔係。 |
Vash 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.79 |
2008-05-15 00:16 |
| [#4] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? I have wired all my gears with Cardas Golden Reference. Quite happy about it. They sound neutral & ultra-quiet --- this is all I care. Cardas makes good cables. When you send emails to Cardas, Mrs Cardas answers the emails. They never pretend their cables make "tremendous" improvement, but they tell you as it is. I have bought a 2nd hand Cardas high-speed data cable @ HKD 300 from R33 2nd hand. It improves the bass tremendously. Incredible. |
Kenny 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.56 |
2008-05-15 08:11 |
| [#5] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? IBMR51 hing, I totally agreed what you say. Maybe this cable is only good for amplifer and cd transport are make in US. I have 2 golden reference power cord, these power cord I did alot test, original default and change the plug in finally, all are disappoint. if anyone has interest for these 2 cable I can make a better offer. |
monami 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.243 |
2008-05-15 08:33 |
| [#6] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? I use Cardas Golden Ref. pc with great success. It improves the bass and texture while maintaining the balance. Cardas cables need long burn-in. Initially it sounds ugly. After about a week of continual use, the bass opens up. Afterwards the high opens up. Cardas Golden Cross will give you a richer bass and a darker tone, but Golden Ref. should not. You can read many user comments from http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/bbs.html and judge it for yourself. |
discoverer 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.48 |
2008-05-15 14:50 |
| [#7] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? Also beware of fake cables, as warned at Cardas official website. |
discoverer 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.48 |
2008-05-15 14:53 |
| [#8] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? don't think that many will wire his whole system with Cardas. Doing so will easily lead to a significant loss in details, blurred highs, loose bass and very heavy mids. If your system sounds edgy, probably that is due to the speaker or CDP or even amps. Using cables to twist the sound is wrong. How possible the boost in mids will match the dips in mids from your system. The best is to start with a balanced system. I use all silver (and silver gold alloy from Siltech) and my system sounds sweet, warm, good harmonics, tight bass that goes much much deeper than that from Cardas. Listen carefully and U will notice that Cardas provides lot of cheap bass. cheap as it lacks details, not going deep (only boosting upper and mid bass) and lack of any elasticity. Of course the Cardas people will go back to U as they know this is good strategy to sell their products well. I don't need Siltech people to go back to me. I only need good cables will faithful reproduction in music. If there is a scale of 1 to 10 in hi fidelity. I will give Siltech G5 a 7, G6 an 8. Cardas? May be a 2 (higher than black red, which I give 1 because of the significant loss in details) |
IBMR51 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.224 |
2008-05-15 14:58 |
| [#9] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? Salute 好少人咁坦白，但係太殘酷的意見是不為人接受的，最少對於接左貨又想出的人來說． 另外，每人都有自己杯茶，自己唔q飲唔表示一定係毒藥，大把人飲酒都係為求一醉k！理坅夾點溝出來？ |
newkidwai 正式會員 220.xxx.xxx.162 |
2008-05-15 22:03 |
| [#10] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? It is OK. Hifi is very personal. Everyone is entitled to its opinion. |
Kenny 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.184 |
2008-05-15 22:17 |
| [#11] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? But I agreed IBMR51 hing what he said. It's fact, lost alot detail and the mid are too over, I think maybe the cable original is design for 110V US standard. |
monami 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.5 |
2008-05-15 22:36 |
| [#12] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? Before Cardas, I used pure silver wires for many years. Silver cables are lightening fast and incredibly dynamic. But I don't think Cardas lose any treble nor sharpness compared to pure silver cables. In fact, Cardas sounds quiet. Somehow, it has done some magic with its shielding application. Cardas just sounds more right. PS: Cardas GR power cord uses a ferrite. If one buys a 2nd hand cable, it is best to demagnetize it so as to ensure that the ferrite is not magnetized / saturated. Hmmm.... power cords just tone sound. Best power is from a PS Audio power plant. |
Kenny 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.184 |
2008-05-15 22:50 |
| [#13] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? If one wants sweet copper cable (but I have to reiterate that many good silver cables are equally sweet, with good highs as well as copper cables) can try Harmonics, Transparent, VDH or some others from Japan. Ortofon makes some good cables with high resolution and so was Furutech and Acrolink. Cardas does make good advertising and have a fantastic web-sites. I've used the old Golden Ref. power and speaker cables and auditioned to the new Ref. series. Yes the new one is less "sugar" than the old ones, a little bit better in higher frequency extension. However, they still sound blurred, just like a person talking under a blanket!!! Their design are clearly outdated. Their cables were original used in the 1980s to match the then solid state amps, most of which sounded edgy and cool at the time. The amps however continue to improve. Most amps sound much warmer with much lower even order harmonic distortion nowadays. What we need now is cable with high fidelity, ie. cables which can transmit the whole frequency range faithfully and NOT cables which sound sweet because of the boost in the mids (either at the expense of highs and lows, or the use of dielectrics to make the mid vocal more apparent!). I urge those use Cardas to listen to more brand name and to get a balanced amp before changing cables! |
IBMR51 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.142 |
2008-05-15 23:14 |
| [#14] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? Some may find Cardas to sound quiet because of the rapid roll offs in highs and EM noise, which arre present in highs most of the time. Some may also find Cardas to sound smooth because it smooths out the details and the harmonics. It may be pleasing to the less trained ears but is a damned biased cables to me! |
IBMR51 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.142 |
2008-05-15 23:19 |
| [#15] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? """Some may find Cardas to sound quiet because of the rapid roll offs in highs and EM noise""" at which frequency the roll off starts? can you show us a fr graph? if roll off occurs at 50khz i dont think any trained ears can hear it |
cpu8088 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.171 |
2008-05-15 23:28 |
| [#16] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? Welcome Hi Fi Ar Q lar, ArQfiles, have you taken your equipment to Excel to measure Ur beloved MF before purchase. How about the stupid Silver Shadow. Human ears (and brains indeed), although limited to 20 to 20KHz, can tell a lot other than frequency extension. Anyway, I won't fall into your "fake" scientific approach and keep on "discussing" with you. Cause' U learnt were cuts and pastes from the Internet. Ur personal experience in gears is next to zero. Whenever some say something about frequency extension, speed, resolution, U Hifi Ar Q will jump out and claim: Did you have any proof ba ba ba! Science and Research is Ur Shield. Shield against what? Against your limited exposure to hifi and limited amount of $$$! |
IBMR51 正式會員 58.xxx.xxx.42 |
2008-05-15 23:47 |
| [#17] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? Hah ! Gee.... 1st time I am labeled I am not a trained ears and fooled by advertising ^_^. What a joy ! I can save some $$$. |
Kenny 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.184 |
2008-05-16 00:06 |
| [#18] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? I am using Siltech interconnect and Cardas speaker cable for my Burmester amp. I absolutely disagree that Cardas is a trash cable as it is a very well balanced and sweet cable indeed. Especially good for the sound system if sounds too dry. |
Vivid 正式會員 192.xxx.xxx.8 |
2008-05-16 00:24 |
| [#19] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? May be the Burmester does sound dry. If most of us agree that a good cable should add nothing to the music (and surely should try to transmit as much information), then why Cardas can add "wet" sound to the music. Clearly that is due to some distortion that Cardas provides, or indeed filters OFF!!! Human ears can easily be misled. More mids and less highs (or tricky roll offs) are often be regarded as SMOOTH, WET and engaging sound! |
IBMR51 正式會員 220.xxx.xxx.77 |
2008-05-16 01:17 |
| [#20] Cardas Golden Ref. 係咪最甜的銅線? Whatever. |
Vivid 正式會員 192.xxx.xxx.8 |
2008-05-16 02:25 |
