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[#1] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
單純對stereo audio來說 ... (不是主要討論video)
當sacd推出時, 個個都話優勝過cd好多, 甚至說會取代cd!
現在Blueray推出, 理論上更勝sacd!

a. 這會否使你認為現在應該要開始留意一些player, 係可以同時播Blueray and SACD呢? 為什麼?

b. 定係仍要堅持影與音要分家, 仍要忠於一部齋播CD或/和SACD的player呢? 為什麼?

謝謝你的分享!





New.Audiophile
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[#2] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
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[#3] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
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2009-10-30 11:34
[#4] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
SACD failed to replace CD, largely because of major recording company can't making profit from SACD, SACD can sound beautifully if the SACD production done right, and your playback device designed to take full advantage of it.

Go for pure audio player if you really care about sound quality, and video technology is growing much faster than audio, so a separate audio player can serve you up to 10 years or more as long as the laser pickup replacement still available.

But usually a better video technology comes around the time that your previous player is dying, and you are actually paying less for a new player with better video quality than your previous player, usually.
hercules
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2009-10-31 03:14
[#5] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
thanks hercules hing's sharing!

Blu-ray pure-audio CD (2-channel format) should be better than SACD and ordinary CD.

So what do you think that we should wait/seek for high-end audio-player which is able to play Blu-ray and SACD?

thanks!

New.Audiophile
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2009-10-31 08:55
[#6] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
don't wait, no such thing, blu-ray is not a audio format, and blu ray have no breakthrough in audio performance, just more capacity.
hercules
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2009-10-31 09:15
[#7] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
CAS is the answer. Forget about SACD, high resolution audio's future is high res. files sold directly from record companies, download directly from their online stores.

Setup a NAS, store those music/video files rip from CD/BD and high res. music files bought online, buy music streamer(like LINN DS) and a media player to play them(or one HTPC to do it all, if you don't believe PSU in PC will cause interferrence), you have a centralised and ultra convenient home entertainment system.

This is what I do.
rover901
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2009-10-31 09:41
[#8] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
UD9004 < > Flagship SA-CD / Blu-ray / DVD-Audio&Video / CD Universal Player
$5999.99

Dual HDMI outputs allows Audio Video separate output for High Fidelity Playback
BD-Profile2.0(BD-Live), BD-Java, BONUS VIEW support
Plays SA-CD(Stereo/Multi), BD-Video/-ROM/-RE/BD-R, DVD-Audio/-Video/-R/-R DL/-RW/+R/+R DL/+RW, CD-R/RW and MP3/WMA/DivX(ver.6)/AVCHD/JPEG/Kodak Picture CD discs
Copper plated chassis and Tri box construction
Sophisticated new aluminum/reinforced resin front panel w/ Front door design
Machine milled solid copper block feet
Copper shielded Large Toroidal Transformer
Zinc Die-cast Enclosure, Aluminum Die-cast Tray Mechanism
Total 4 boards, Marantz HDAM-SA2&HDAM analog audio circuits w/ Custom audio parts
Balanced (XLR) Stereo analog audio output
192 kHz/32-bit Audio DAC AK4399 for all channels
Analog Devices SHARC 32bit DSP for HD audio Decoding
Dolby True HD, dts-HD MA decoder
REALTA HQV Video Processor
Support 24fps, 36-bit Deep Color
297MHz/14-bit Analog Devices Video DAC ADV7344 for Component Video Out
297MHz/12-bit Analog devices Video DAC ADV7340 for S-Video/Video Out
Anchor Bay Tecjnology I/P & Scaler ABT2010, ABT1012 for Analog Video Out
Vertical Stretch function for 2.35:1 aspect movie
1080p, 1080i, 720p 480p scaled output
SD Card slot for playback MP-3/WMA/JPEG
Firmware update capability via Internet
Display Dimmer, Source Direct, Pure Direct Mode
Audio Delay (up to 200msec.)
Component, S-Video and Composite Analog Video outputs
Digital audio outputs (Optical/Coaxial)
RS-232C for System control
Flasher In/Out
Discrete power on/off commands
Detachable Power Cord
Aluminum Top Device Remote
Region Codes: BD-Video: A, DVD: 1
Available Option Rack Mount Kit RMK9004UD

http://us.marantz.com/Products/2936.asp#

這部機, 大家有咩評價呢? 似乎掂喎!

New.Audiophile
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2009-10-31 11:18
[#9] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
you will be very hurt if the optical pickup dead with no replacement. Separate if cost, space is not the major concern.
hercules
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2009-10-31 11:31
[#10] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
- the optical lens pick up for Blu-ray and SACDs are different. I mean that such "universal player" has two optical lens inside, one for blu-ray and the other for SACD/CD etc.


- the quantity of replacement of optical lens that stocked up by the factory should be more than 10+ years. So no replacement for optical pick-up should be after 10+ years. I believe that a player serves me for more than 10+ is a very faithful one. I have nothing to say ga la!




New.Audiophile
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2009-11-01 14:47
[#11] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
I don't think video player can keep up to modern standard longer than 5 years, while audio player can last longer still at very high audio quality.

Only one lens for CD/DVD/BD player as modern pickup have triple wavelength focusing system.

Universal player only for sake of convenience, nothing comparable with separate quality components.
hercules
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[#13] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
我觀察到到目前為止, 只有三數間大廠有分體SACD解碼及轉盤 (e.g. Esoteric, dCS, Accuphase etc.), 其餘的都只是合併SACD player!

從發燒角度來說, 合併SACD player, CD player, Int.Amp. 未算頂班, 也未有什麼合併器材是真正好聲.


a. 我以上的觀察是否正確呢?

b. 若是, 到底是否因為分體的SACD轉盤+dac成本是很貴的, 沒有市場, 所以生產商不會投資生產? 定係SACD在世界發燒友的經驗未必好過CD, XRCD, 根本不會投放資金去買?

c. 若我的觀察是錯的話, 請介紹真正好聲而又不是50萬一套的SACD transport + DAC!

thank you!


New.Audiophile
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2009-11-04 11:05
[#14] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
You are not really know the relationship of DSD and SACD, all SACD DSD layer were encrypted as specificed Sony and Philips (format license holders), the encrypted DSD stream must decrypted by DSD decoder before it's able to convert by DAC, and no offically digital output designed for encryted DSD (other than SDIF-3 for RAW DSD for studio), so it's vitually prohibited to output DSD stream in unprotected format out of the machine, and let you recorded the datastream by computer, not even intended to use external DAC. So SACD is robust, free of pirate and illegal copy for 10 years of introduction (DSD layer only).

So the design afford and cost for external decoder is high to maintain same quality as all in one player (shorter, simpler connection), and remain robust encryption by custom datalink and programmed controller (unlike PCM machine, a lot of ready to use chip available) for impossible to intercharge transport with other DSD enabled DAC from other manufacturers, so I must be sold in combo, so only ultra high-end suite may have market for such high cost machine.
hercules
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[#15] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
Interesting to know. How about those players with iLink ouput such as the Marantz DV9600? Is the DSD stream be decrypted already? Is there any processing between the raw DSD stream and the DSD stream output via the iLink other than decryption?
olddude
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2009-11-04 11:41
[#16] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
Esoteric have lower grade P-03/D-03 and P-05/D-05 at lower cost.

hercules
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[#17] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
iLink out is encrypted too, to be decode by supported AV amp internally, as split the stream into 5.1 channels before into DAC, I think one more tricky thing is, no DSD will be out of the player if the receiver end is unrecognized/unsupported in handshaking process.
hercules
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[#18] ====> Blueray & SACD , HTPC 發展趨勢, 二者合一的player    
SACD 呢二十年也沒什麼進步
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