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| [#21] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 jjmo兄，想請教你用咩JUMPER？啲喇叭端子係點連接？ |
david1503 正式會員118.xxx.xxx.28 |
2016-05-10 12:34 | |
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| [#22] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 只是用 naim 喇叭做的 jumper 接法見圖， 無乜特別考究……只是聽從威達意見  |
jjmo 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.95 |
2016-05-10 13:27 |
| [#23] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 Biwiring much better than using jumpers. By the way, still of the view that 1SC sounds rather dry without much texture. 最後修改時間: 2016-05-10 15:10:42 |
Phil 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.91 |
2016-05-10 15:10 |
| [#24] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 謝謝jjmo兄。 |
david1503 正式會員 118.xxx.xxx.29 |
2016-05-10 16:42 |
| [#25] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 david1503 兄也是 Naim + 1sc? |
jjmo 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.90 |
2016-05-10 16:55 |
| [#26] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 i enjoy my 1sc as well, more so than my previous sonus faber memento guarneri. not that sonus faber is not good, but 1sc suits me more i guess, and more all rounded in my view. ufoerp hing, welcome to the 1sc club! my humble opinion, given 1sc's low efficiency, a strong output ampilfier is suggested, hence more likely solid state instead of tube, despite many users suggested the latter. Phil hing, respect your comment that 1sc may not be your cup of tea, as this is subject to personal preference, but can't agree on your comment that bi-wire is better. perhaps you can check with professionals with electrical engineering background, or read articles of Peter Aczel at The Audio Critics. not everything he wrote is correct, but many make good sense including his views and testings on cables. 最後修改時間: 2016-05-10 23:38:16 |
mr.paul 正式會員 103.xxx.xxx.132 |
2016-05-10 23:24 |
| [#27] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 Hi Paul, the main reason for the dryness in 1SC's high frequency extension is due to the rather complex crossover design, which absorbs significant musical information. One solution is to use valve amps to add some even order harmonics to the overall presentation. Moreover there do have bass but not deep bass. Like other small bookshelves, there has been some boost in the upper bass but no deep bass. Overall could draw lots of ears as most will wonder how come a small speaker can produce a large soundstage and sound pressure. However careful listening will reveal 1SC's deficits, including an uneven mid-vocals and a lack of texture. Open the back of the speaker and replace the absorbent with natural wool will definitely enhance the harmonics. |
Phil 正式會員 58.xxx.xxx.163 |
2016-05-11 01:40 |
| [#28] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 jjmo兄, 我一直喜歡PROAC，用過TA, D1, D2, DB1, 1SC和1SC FE。也喜歡NAIM，全部NAIM 合併機都用過。 使用PROAC喇叭一直最困擾我的是他的JUMPER，試過用NORDOST和NAIM喇叭線做JUMPER，也沒有好的結果。總覺得聲音很不自然。 現在我用LEBEN前後級，用西電線SINGLE WIRE F CONNECTION去連接PROAC TA和DB1後面的端子，也是覺得怪怪。 近日換回原裝JUMPER，我一直認為該JUMPER是很廢的所以一直沒使用，用後，沒想到聲音雖然沒先前那麼出彩，自然感卻全回來了。聲音十分統一。 我一直很想試BIWIRE，也最想試BIAMP，有朋友說他用ACCUPHASE合併機，該機能BIAMP去PROAC，表現好得帶他上天堂。我十分羨慕，卻沒有機會自己嘗試。 玩PROAC，最令我苦惱的是喇叭後面的4條JUMPER。但我實在很喜歡PROAC為音樂帶來的趣味感。很希望能把喇叭的極限找出來。 最後修改時間: 2016-05-11 09:51:08 |
david1503 正式會員 118.xxx.xxx.28 |
2016-05-11 09:45 |
| [#29] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 Jumper 問題不難解決，只要在箱內將高音組分音輸入和低音組銲在一起，不玩bi amp |
孟波 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.69 |
2016-05-11 10:09 |
| [#30] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 謝謝孟波兄的建議，不過我仍希望只從外面調整 |
david1503 正式會員 118.xxx.xxx.29 |
2016-05-11 10:39 |
| [#31] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 師兄…對1sc自己Diy咗超過2O對 Jumper neotech 24號 7n扁銅 佩古河鍍金义 細開揚 分析力強 唔標 唔桔耳 幼滑 只係幾十蚊呎 我大概百一呎廳 用24號最啱聽 唔會大粒 如你廳比我大 就試用粗一號 越粗越響 慢慢試師兄。。。  最後修改時間: 2016-05-11 13:26:36 |
xxxxxx 正式會員 120.xxx.xxx.135 |
2016-05-11 13:16 |
| [#32] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 1SC just was the low end of the Reference series in the old days. Open the back and take a look inside. One will realise the cheap cheap white internal low grade copper wires, the mediocre caps and inductors used, absorbents often deployed in packing and very complex (which degrades musical signals) crossover designs. Scratch my head why once a speaker stopped production it becomes a legend... Sonic performance of current design by ProAc or other speaker manufacturers already far exceed that of 1SC, Reference 2, 2.5 or other older generations. |
Phil 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2016-05-11 15:40 |
| [#33] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 Remember once I changed the white internal wires of 1SC to Audio Note copper speaker wires. Already a jump in harmonics! |
Phil 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2016-05-11 15:42 |
| [#34] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 I am not saying that 1SC is a bad speaker. However it is just unwise to spend over HKD100,000 for an amp to push it. I would rather change to a full range floor stand (e.g. the current ProAc with ribbon highs), and push it with a 30W valve amp. Pretty sure this set up will beat 1SC with a Gryphon Diablo, in terms of frequency distribution, texture, resolution and micro and macro-dynamics. Problem of 1SC remains with its physical limitation as well as the old tweeter and mid-woofer designs, i.e. limited sound pressure. Yeah one could drive 1SC to full sound pressure, but possibly at the risk of shortening the lifespan of its mid-woofers. |
Phil 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2016-05-11 16:02 |
| [#35] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 I am not saying that 1SC is a bad speaker. However it is just unwise to spend over HKD100,000 for an amp to push it. 鍾意聽 1sc 應該就係鍾意佢夠「假」, 「假」得黎又好吸引 未聽過 or 未試過應該唔會明 |
jjmo 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.90 |
2016-05-11 16:17 |
| [#36] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 I owned 1SC for many years before selling it off. Whatever lar...it is you pals money...No problem spending HKD200K to drive 3/5A as well. |
Phil 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.126 |
2016-05-11 16:35 |
| [#37] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 好多野其實唔需要JUSTIFY，自己鍾意就OK。 有時很多野唔係可以用常理去解釋到。 我持有多對PROAC，最鍾意竟然係PROAC TA。高音唔夠RESPONSE RANGE密度高，低音又唔夠人地有氣勢。但最愛仍是它。而家佢前端都過150K |
david1503 正式會員 118.xxx.xxx.29 |
2016-05-11 17:31 |
| [#38] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 有啲人食乜野都白烚 唔鹽 唔油 唔甜 唔調味 唔食肉 唔食海鮮 凈係飲白開水 一味要最清 最淡 最無味 就最啱口胃 但係見其他人食啲 佢唔識食概好嘢 就話會 食壞人…臭概 酸概 壞概 其實……咸魚青菜各有所愛 呢度好多鐘意…和味概師兄…都食到津津有味…… |
xxxxxx 正式會員 120.xxx.xxx.158 |
2016-05-11 18:58 |
| [#39] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 let's keep this post in rational discussion, will be sad to see another post in review33 becoming somewhat offensive in tone....... phil, appreciate your suggestions as former owner, but doubt i will ever open up the speaker to find out and change what's inside, with my limited skill set david1503, my two cents, there are matters subject to personal preference, which is difficult to justify, while there are also true science involved, which can surely be debated and proofed. an example aforementioned is bi-wire vs bi-amp, of which the former is pseudo science, and the latter has some advantages though not significant |
mr.paul 正式會員 140.xxx.xxx.10 |
2016-05-11 20:10 |
| [#40] 為了ProAc 1sc，終上Gryphon Diablo 300 A lot of tweaks can be done with 1SC... One can take out the crossovers, make it external crossover as the original Reference One. One can change the large cap to better ones. One can also change to pure silver inductors. One can change the very cheap internal wires. I found out the most effective tweak is to replace the internal sound absorbent with pure wool. Sound would be a much more natural mid-vocals with much better texture. That is, less congested, less strains and more harmonics. |
Phil 正式會員 220.xxx.xxx.206 |
2016-05-11 20:57 |
