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| [#1] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 see http://www.msbtech.com/support/What_about_32_bit_DACs.php?Page=supportHome |
tom55 正式會員203.xxx.xxx.115 |
2011-02-21 10:45 | |
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| [#2] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 honestly speaking, have compared msb link 4 dac with moon 750d with sabre ess 9018, sound much better than msb link ladder dac |
batmanames04 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.217 |
2011-02-21 11:15 |
| [#3] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 No DAC is perfect. With ANY chip there are designers who do it well and those who don't. Perfect bit is a term used by people to sell things, be it DAC or CAS. |
doctorjohn 正式會員 121.xxx.xxx.252 |
2011-02-21 11:29 |
| [#4] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 depend on who and how the ic designer design the dac chipset? but msb always claim ladder type dac the best |
batmanames04 正式會員 180.xxx.xxx.41 |
2011-02-21 12:36 |
| [#5] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 Although they have better IC chipset, it does not mean their DAC has better sound than others. IC chipsets are only part of the gear. Circuit design and choice of other components are still critical in the design of a DAC. |
anphil 正式會員 121.xxx.xxx.17 |
2011-02-21 12:50 |
| [#6] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 sorry i think ic chip key factor to succed no matter how good you implement 16bit chipset, it never sound good than 32bit dac |
batmanames04 正式會員 180.xxx.xxx.41 |
2011-02-21 12:54 |
| [#7] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 it never sound good than 32bit dac -------- sound preference is too subjective. |
Not-So-GoodSamaritan 正式會員 118.xxx.xxx.42 |
2011-02-21 13:38 |
| [#8] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 Both Moon750D & AUDIOLAB 8200CD use Sabre 32bit DAC. I fully agree with anphil,Circuit design and choice of other components are still critical in the design of a DAC. Also its power supply and power regulation play an indispensable role. If you have listened the flagship model of MSB DAC IV (with seperate power supply), you might have different comment I suppose, a DAC truly designed for studio and professional user. Having listened Moon 750D too, my subjective feeling is that it imbues its signature sound , gives you warmth on the top octave and fuller yet punchy mid-bass. Surely not a neutral but musically engaging CD player.  最後修改時間: 2011-02-21 14:05:31 |
george1977 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.1 |
2011-02-21 14:03 |
| [#9] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 MSB DAC IV  |
george1977 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.1 |
2011-02-21 14:06 |
| [#10] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 geoege1977 c hing, the weiss medea (sabre ess 9018 + best op amp) plus has arrived hong kong . i think it is the best implementation with ess 9018. hope that you have chance audition with it |
batmanames04 正式會員 180.xxx.xxx.54 |
2011-02-21 14:44 |
| [#11] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 Looking forward to hear,batmannames04 ching, 2 friends of mine uses weiss DACs. BTW, Sabre 32bit DAC is a real bargain, no matter in Moon750D or Audiolab 8200. 最後修改時間: 2011-02-21 15:13:53 |
george1977 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.1 |
2011-02-21 15:13 |
| [#12] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 Hi george1977兄, 可否請教你對 Weiss Medea, MSB DAC IV的看法, 音質特性? 我在外地聽過 DCS Paganini, 如果你對DCS有經驗, 可否比較一下? 非常感谢... |
eddiey4k 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.118 |
2011-02-22 20:47 |
| [#13] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 好耐好耐冇係R33發牙痕, 先聲明我唔會用中肯角度去比較兩者^ ^, 因我用過三部Weiss Medea前後共五年到今日, 之前又用過MSB Platinium Plus兩年, 或者唔客觀下比較下呢兩個品牌小小特性. 齋講動態, MSB Platinium Plus 贏晒, 如果喜歡大上大落曲目既朋友, 又或者係鍾情水花四踐, 重金屬味的爵士樂, MSB就中正下懷. 因為佢個"驚"夠大, 推送力一流(係佢個價位), 但相對越耐, 就越覺得MSB對音效表達手法好似冇乜文化, 講句難聽D只得鋪牛力, 當年唔係多得HI-FI音響高調大讚令佢係香港走紅, 但站平心而論去評價MSB Platinium Plus, 只一定係o岩價同抵玩, 係同價冇炸型, 你要真平衡佢比你, 你唔需要外置昇頻器佢又同你玩昇頻到24/176.4. 但...不過又係但...., 要佢去表達音樂裡面的明暗起伏, 抑揚頓挫, 即係音樂感呢科野佢只能說聲SORRY, 或係佢輸出過大, 大到當時我係用部冇乜"驚"我前級AYRE K1 New都有 Over Load 的感覺, 簡單講就係聲底粗, 喜好滑溜音色的我頂左(或就左)兩年無奈投降, 要同佢講BYE BYE, 論工藝MSB的確係數碼專家, 講製作保證足料, 唔似得無良地產商發水呃秤乜都出齊, 賺小個崩就鬼殺咁嘈..., 但音響並唔係靠足料加科技就能登天, 校聲先係取勝的重要殺著, 從前好多牌子靠一瓣半瓣去走天涯, 好快就係市場消失. 如果硬要同"威屎"Medea去比, Platinium Plus基本上冇得鍊(呢點唔公平, 因Medea貴Platinium Plus足足一倍, 要比就最好同 MSB DAC IV比), 不過我非常欣賞Medea演繹不同類型曲目, 實在好容易令自己投入音樂裡面, 好小火氣攻心, 要彈既就係Medea既分析力唔算好強, 要佢做放大鏡去數"毛毛"就味必係好此道者既要求. 而MSB亦唔係冇料, 唔係就唔可以生存到今天, 之後的IV就係二手鋪聽過下, 但個人唔再跟MSB呢個牌子可能係佢紅左之後就越賣越貴, 而對手越來越多, 但唔再係以前咁抵玩去形容MSB了. 最後修改時間: 2011-02-22 23:13:05 |
長谷村_天 正式會員 119.xxx.xxx.163 |
2011-02-22 23:08 |
| [#14] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 精采！請長谷村_天兄多d入來發牙痕。好耐未見過呢d舊名字... |
孟波 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.240 |
2011-02-22 23:22 |
| [#15] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 Thanks, 長谷村_天兄. Appreciate your comments. |
eddiey4k 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.118 |
2011-02-22 23:26 |
| [#16] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 精采! x2 Totally agree with your comments on MSB products except the DAC IV because it's so new that I have not listened to it yet. |
CKKeung 正式會員 116.xxx.xxx.241 |
2011-02-22 23:43 |
| [#17] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 孟波兄: 咪玩啦, 你咁講我會面紅耶. 最後修改時間: 2011-02-23 00:07:25 |
長谷村_天 正式會員 119.xxx.xxx.163 |
2011-02-23 00:02 |
| [#18] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 Platinum Link Plus是十年前的產品.我以前也用過, 用時也覺得聲音有點粗.前年換了Platinum III, 聲音己經變得很幼細,音樂感有很大進步, 到上星期去試聽Platinum IV Signature,聲音更加幼細,特別是聽古典更加好,小提琴音色更加迷人, 比起Platinum III又進步了很多, 我正考慮升級. |
edwinlee18 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.131 |
2011-02-23 12:45 |
| [#19] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 長谷村_天兄，你有 point，小弟認同，容我撐你一野！ |
§中國人§ 正式會員 58.xxx.xxx.218 |
2011-02-23 14:12 |
| [#20] MSB 反駁 ESS SABRE 32 bit DAC 不是吹噓的完美 sorry, 我沒有用過 Platinum Link ,CANNOT COMMENT, 我用時已經是PLATINUM DAC III, 但沒有長兄所說的問題. 是musical 和幼細的. 我估計msb也下過一 返苦工. 我們做比較 (尢期是Digital 重的product), 應該同時期的product 去比較會fair 的 (除非大家都公認update model 新不如舊, speaker 的例子比較多). 我想每一間廠都會睇住market 的competitor 去fine tune 自己的product. 這是良性競爭 其實msb 應該很清楚sabre 32 的. 因為他們改oppo 93 做universal player , OPPO 93 就是用SABRE 32 , 他們BYPASS 了SABRE 32. |
blau.vol 正式會員 113.xxx.xxx.108 |
2011-02-23 17:29 |
