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[#1] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
Can I get some comment from C Hings on this subject..?

My 328i landed in HKG 15th May (I did not get EFV Discount) but if you look at EPD website which clearly have PDF file that states 328i met standard set at 1st April 2012!

Am I missing something???

http://www.epd.gov.hk/epd/english/environmentinhk/air/prob_solutions/environment_friendly_private_cars.html


hkrainman
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2012-07-21 09:33
[#2] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
From the legal point of view, you knew the price when you bought it , so the seller may not have the responsibility to refund or help you for refund. But they may do so as a responsible dealer.

But from the Gov side, you should be able to claim the tax different you paid.

Just my own opinion, may not be correct.



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jacky35
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123.xxx.xxx.151
2012-07-21 19:15
[#3] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
Thanks Jacky35 Hing, I paid deposit and made decision back in Feb, when everyone figure they will not get EFV concession, but BMW only changed price and cliam EFV during recent week. Anyway, I already called BMW salesman and ask him to request explaination from Company..
hkrainman
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2012-07-22 10:06
[#4] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
I think the date when your BMW was first registered with Transport Department is the key, as I would assume from the Government perspective, if the vehicle is registered after the date when the EFV concession becomes effective, then your vehicle will qualify.

I would expect BMW should had informed you on the change in Government EFV assessment and provide you a rebate. But in a business world I won't be surprised if BMW stayed quiet.

Imagine if this is the other way round, when the Government announced a increase in tax, then I am sure BMW will ask you for the extra money.

You may of course also seek advise from Consumer Council.

Good luck

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fkclo
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2012-07-22 11:33
[#5] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
Oh, just remember that if you signed the contract before the date for the EFV became effective, then your vehicle will not be subject to the deduction.
It happened that for some super cars like the Ferrari 458 which has years of delivery lead time, if your contract was signed before 1/4/2011, then you was going to pay the old tax only even if your car was arrived after the tax was increased.
jacky35
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2012-07-22 12:53
[#6] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
I was assuming that your contract was signed after the Gov approved the EFV deduction but before announcement of BMW. But as your contract was signed before the approval of the Gov, so I think you may not be able to claim the difference you paid.
jacky35
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2012-07-22 12:56
[#7] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
It would interesting to look at the contract from a different perspective.

When the contract is signed and a deposit is made, the price of the car was firm and agreed. The price is what BMW will get for selling the car. I think there is no argument. Even if BMW for some reasons has to increase the costs, the contract protects the buyer so BMW will not be able to past on the added cost to the buyer. Likewise, if BMW finds a way to lower costs its has no obligation to share the savings with the buyer.

But the tax can be something different. The tax will not be levied at the time of contract, but when the car is first registered upon arrival in Hong Kong. Although paying tax for the car is obligatory for the buyer, BMW is essentially acting as a "agent" of the buyer to collect and pay the tax on the buyer's behalf, in order to smooth out the purchase process (it is in fact a service to the buyer). If we follow this logic, then in this particular case BMW has collected more than is required to pay the first registration tax, which was reduced before the car is first registered and when the tax becomes payable. So, as a matter of principle, BMW has no right to keep that extra money it collects from the customer.

Of course, the counter argument is BMW will not be able to sell legally unless it pays tax for its vehicles. This is a different logic and in this case one can argue that the first registration tax is becoming part of the cost of BMW in selling the car in Hong Kong, and so any savings in this cost will not be shared with the buyer.

However, if one looks at the quotations by almost all car dealers, the tax is always a separate item which may imply the dealer has no intention to absorb any changes in tax.

Despite the above, I think one needs to look at the fine print of the contract terms and conditions. It is possible the contract waives the buyer's right to ask for refund of extra money collected from him. So, in my opinion, the devil is always in the details.








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fkclo
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2012-07-22 13:30
[#8] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
Same as the conditions for EFV tax deduction, many Gov policies are stupid and ridiculous, and we cannot understand.
jacky35
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2012-07-22 14:40
[#9] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
Thanks and appreciate all your views and comments, however, I am just looking at facts that taxation such for any import items in any countries are tax base on arrival dates. I will be very interested indeed to hear what BMW HK have to say..
hkrainman
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2012-07-22 17:56
[#10] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
If u think you are right. Complain to BMW germany direct
smash
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2012-07-22 19:54
[#11] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
睇o下 BMW 點回覆你先喇. 如果真係因為個 sport steering 而令架車重左而攞到 EFV, 咁你果部 328 又真係唔合資格 wor.

如果真係咁既原因, 到時你只可以 complaint BMW HK 安排的原因而令你 攞唔到 EFV 而比多 $75,000 稅. 因為稅係政府收, 錢就冇得 refund. 我估你可以要求 BMW HK 送 D options/accessories 比你如 Bluetooth, M styling body kit, extend warranty period .... etc.


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ff4300
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2012-07-22 23:33
[#12] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
Thanks ff4300, but still do not understand why EPD seemingly backdate standard approval(for all 3 328i lines- Luxury, Sports & Morden)on 1st April.
hkrainman
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2012-07-23 07:04
[#13] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
VW got tax refund, why not BMW ? report to media or newspaper if BMW ignore you.

http://www.vwownerclub.org/forum/viewthread.php?tid=16503&extra=page%3D1
humber
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2012-07-23 15:43
[#14] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
Thanks for this info Humber, this seems to be logical that dealer should have the reposibility to chase for refund on behalf of clients.. I just hope BMW HK will share same ethic with VW..
hkrainman
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2012-07-23 16:14
[#15] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
Please note that for the WV case,
"呢個退稅係適用於係加汽車首記稅前已訂車既車主。" as you can see from the tread. I don't think it is the same with your case.
jacky35
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2012-07-23 18:15
[#16] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
Just got off the phone with BMW salesman and according to him, becuase my Luxury Line was the very first batch, therefore, it's made in Germany. The current batch that approval for EFV concession are made in South Africa. Since two separate country's 328i acutally have some difference spec that's consider "Trade Secret" therefore, he is not in the position to disclose them. That pissed me off even more, I think both BMW and EPD have lots of explaining to do!
hkrainman
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2012-07-23 19:42
[#17] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
Yeah, your BM was made with virgin plastic and virgin steel but those Africa made ones were made with recycled materials ....?

Anyway, made in Germany and the only batch = congratulations! 絕版加限量,即炒貴廿萬,有賺!
jacky35
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2012-07-23 19:47
[#18] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
Yeah, that's what I told my wife to make her feel better. Since it's "Our" money.. she's pissed too..
hkrainman
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2012-07-23 19:50
[#19] complain to BMW & HK SAR on EFV concession    
Just spoken to someone at the EDP and seems to admin there's substantail difference between German made 328i and South Africa made 328i, EDP not willing to give specifics but will meet with BMW to come up with response..
hkrainman
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2012-07-27 21:44
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