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| [#37] Leica Club ＞So price is not reflecting the performance in the Leica world. For good value for money, a real photo shooter would consider the summicron, and should be the new deisgn ones, to avoid paying high for so called "collectable and rare to find" items＜ Can't agree more. "collectable and rare to find" is only the term used by 2nd hand traders to push up the price for the stocks they have on hand. It is a matter of 心4好, if someone really likes to own or acquire a rare item, he deserves to pay a premium. Although my M & R lenses were bought mostly in the late 1980's, I am a beliver of newer designs must be superior in performance to older ones, save for the construction and bulit quality. The latest version of Leica lens I bought is the f1.4/35mm ASPH that came together with the set "A Piece of Leica" on sale in 1996. I do have the S-Angulon f3.4/21mm which is purely a collector's item. Performancewise, it is inferior to the Elmarit, not to mention the Elmarit ASPH. For me the best standard lens i have encountered is the Canon FD f1.2 Aspherical. It was a far more advanced design than other makes of its age, and the performance at f1.2 was amazing. High contract, good color rendition and sharpness. The Summilux M is way behind. Its a pity that Canon stopped making this lenses but introduced a EF f1/50mm for the EOS which is also not in the same league. This may be the occasion that we can say older lenes are better than the newer designs. |
swc 正式會員61.xxx.xxx.31 |
2005-10-01 14:23 | |
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| [#38] Leica Club and.t hing Forgot to mention i got thru to the Leica site, very interesting and useful. Thanks a lot. |
swc 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.31 |
2005-10-01 14:33 |
| [#39] Leica Club and.t hing, Nevermind |
sugizo 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.10 |
2005-10-01 14:37 |
| [#40] Leica Club 1.Pang : M6 (35/F2 and 50/F2) 2.Stanfield: M4P (was) 3.Rayan: FZ-10 4.Yukclee: M3 DS + M6, Lenses:50/F2,28/F2.8,35/F2,90/F2.8 5.And.t: M4+M6TTL+R6.2, Lenses: M35/1.4,M50/F2,R24/F2.4,R35/2,R100/F2.8 marco 6.2A3: M6TTL (what lenses) 7.xellshooter: Fx-7(ex-user),Lx-1(current). Leica manual film fans. hope one day I get one ^^ cheers 8.lo5boy: M6TTL + 50mm/F2.8 +35mm/F2 (looking for a LX1, leica? panasonic? 9.sugizo: Minilux zoom with flash light set. |
sugizo 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.10 |
2005-10-01 14:38 |
| [#41] Leica Club Interesting photo.  |
M6 正式會員 222.xxx.xxx.76 |
2005-10-01 15:32 |
| [#42] Leica Club M6 Pang own two M6s and I guess SWC does own a SWC perhaps with a M = SWC/M In response to SWC , I did praise the FD 50 f1.2 SSC (hand ground apherical glass too)in another thread "傳統手動單鏡反光相機 " This lens is a piece of art, no luck to own one since I was not a Canon user until 10D =＞ a workhorse for job use. This 50 1.2 was only touched by my hand at Chen Hung, very solid feel, and good design for the concealed bayonet ring. I almost become a new FD user ,but finially went for a used F2 80xxxxxxx with SB photomic top because of the lens performance at that time. Niokn gears did gave me alot of good momeries. My first Leica was a M3 DS with 50 F/2 dual ring, a good entry level combo with bargain price, both in good return with the very nice and sharp (in style, not the same sharpness as Jap. lens) pictures. Then I moved to M6 TTL and M4. Both M3 and M4 are also "piece of art". If someone said "Oh I want to be a Leica user some day if I have the $$$$$....! If that guy don't mind to buy a user condition M3 + the 50 2 summicron, it is a best way to get started.......no need to see the urgly face of Mr XXXX at Man Shing, where I lost a lot of money......!!! |
and.t 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.198 |
2005-10-01 18:15 |
| [#43] Leica Club SWC, Fill in the unfinished user list lar......! |
and.t 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.198 |
2005-10-01 18:18 |
| [#44] Leica Club Agree with you again for "Both M3 and M4 are also "piece of art". I have used from M2-M6 and still own some M3-M6s. Apart from those military models, in terms of built quality, my order of preference would be M3, M2, M4(German made models only), M5 then M6. But for design and easy of use, M6 is still the best. M3+ f2/50mm is really a good start to join the Leica family. The viewfinder (x.9) of M3 could be inconvenient for those ferquent user of 28-35mm lenses, but may be a welcome for those telephoto lovers. When you own a Leica (M model especially), you will treat it as an art work of precise craftmanship. Any electronics built into it will contaminate the spirit of the initial design. You want to own a Leica not because it has the best series of lenses on earth (actually it doesn't), but just for it is a legend in photographic industry. This is similar to Patek Philippe which is also a lengend representing the highest craftmanship and design complication in horology. Everyone knows a PP of any value will be no more accurate in time keeping than a 300 hundred dollar Seiko quartz. Since I have not done any film photography for the last two years, all my Leica gears are for collection only (until one day a cheaper digital body is marketed to accommodate Leica lenses). I use digital camera for its easy of processing print output. I wonder if it is suitable for me to fill in the user list in such status. But i should be delighted to post sharing of my limited exdperience in Leica if other club members feel interested. |
swc 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.31 |
2005-10-01 23:07 |
| [#45] Leica Club Nice thread. I would like to join. I own a Leica CL, M2 & M3 with some old style screw mount (with adapter) Leica lens. |
ilovesonatas 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.249 |
2005-10-01 23:25 |
| [#46] Leica Club stanfield hing, I remember my friend had told me, fixed focus Leica lens is superior than zoon lens. If you really "heat" on Leica, its better to collect their lens. And I remember if you collect them all needs around HK$200k. And then no problem at 135mm film camera. More advance 120 film, neverend................. |
sugizo 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.10 |
2005-10-02 00:00 |
| [#47] Leica Club Take some fresh air folks !  |
and.t 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.153 |
2005-10-02 00:32 |
| [#48] Leica Club Air 2  |
and.t 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.153 |
2005-10-02 00:33 |
| [#49] Leica Club I want to join I owned M6, lens 21/f2.8, 28/f2.8, 50/f1.4, 90/f2.8 , APO135/f3.4 & R8 lens 24/f2.8 minilux, binocular 10x42 but now I changed to digital. |
lion 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.29 |
2005-10-02 13:35 |
| [#50] Leica Club New comers, please fill out the user list: 1.Pang : M6 (35/F2 and 50/F2) 2.Stanfield: M4P (was) 3.Rayan: FZ-10 4.Yukclee: M3 DS + M6, Lenses:50/F2,28/F2.8,35/F2,90/F2.8 5.And.t: M4+M6TTL+R6.2, Lenses: M35/1.4,M50/F2,R24/F2.4,R35/2,R100/F2.8 marco 6.2A3: M6TTL (what lenses) 7.xellshooter: Fx-7(ex-user),Lx-1(current). Leica manual film fans. hope one day I get one ^^ cheers 8.lo5boy: M6TTL + 50mm/F2.8 +35mm/F2 (looking for a LX1, leica? panasonic? 9.sugizo: Minilux zoom with flash light set. 10. Lion: M6, lens 21/f2.8, 28/f2.8, 50/f1.4, 90/f2.8 , APO135/f3.4 & R8 lens 24/f2.8 minilux, binocular 10x42.........and digital... - To be cont'l- |
and.t 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.44 |
2005-10-02 19:54 |
| [#51] Leica Club Incredible81: M3, M4, M6, M6 0.85 x 2, M6 TTL Dragon, M7, MP Black Paint, R8 Lens: 21/2.8 ASPH, 28/2 ASPH, 35/2 8 Elements, 35/2.8 Summaron, 35/3.5, 35/2 ASPH, 50/2.8, 50/2, 50/1.4 Black Paint, 75/1.4, 90/2.8, 90/2AA, Angelieux 35/2.5, 135/4. R35/2.8, R50/1.4, R100/2.8 APO Macro, R180/2.8 APO Still want to buy more... I love Leica... |
incredible81 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.151 |
2005-10-02 20:07 |
| [#52] Leica Club Hi. Anyone has comment on the R 21mm/F4 Superangulon? |
live 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.134 |
2005-10-02 22:50 |
| [#53] Leica Club I used to have the R21/4 Superangulon . It was made by Scheneider. The colour reproduction is slightly different from those by Leica . A bit cool, the resolution and colour are top class. It is very bulky. I sold it with the R 7 and took the M series . Any way , it is an excellent len at 21mm. |
ksl 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.67 |
2005-10-02 23:15 |
| [#54] Leica Club New comers, please fill out the user list: 1.Pang : M6 (35/F2 and 50/F2) 2.Stanfield: M4P (was) 3.Rayan: FZ-10 4.Yukclee: M3 DS + M6, Lenses:50/F2,28/F2.8,35/F2,90/F2.8 5.And.t: M4+M6TTL+R6.2, Lenses: M35/1.4,M50/F2,R24/F2.4,R35/2,R100/F2.8 marco 6.2A3: M6TTL (what lenses) 7.xellshooter: Fx-7(ex-user),Lx-1(current). Leica manual film fans. hope one day I get one ^^ cheers 8.lo5boy: M6TTL + 50mm/F2.8 +35mm/F2 (looking for a LX1, leica? panasonic? 9.sugizo: Minilux zoom with flash light set. 10. Lion: M6, lens 21/f2.8, 28/f2.8, 50/f1.4, 90/f2.8 , APO135/f3.4 & R8 lens 24/f2.8 minilux, binocular 10x42.........and digital... 11. BenYC: M6HM, M6 - 21/2.8, 35/2, 50/2, 50/1, 75/1.4 90/2.8. R4, R6.2, R8, R9 - 19/2.8, 24/2.8, 35/2, 50/2, 80/1.4, 100/2.8, 135/2.8, 70-180/2.8, 28-70 zoom Minilux zoom IIIf + 50 |
BenYC 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.154 |
2005-10-04 23:52 |
| [#55] Leica Club M5, M6 Classic, CL, 21/f3.4 Super Angulon, 35/f1.4, 35/f2.0, 50/f1.4, 90/f2.0, 90/f4... but all were sold on 2003 |
*DIY* 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.116 |
2005-10-04 23:57 |
| [#56] Leica Club I still miss my like new condition M5 Chrome 3-lug..... ＞_＜  |
*DIY* 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.116 |
2005-10-05 00:02 |
