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| [#174] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 沉晚拎隻射鵰AMCD同85年TO版出黎, 用16bit既舊式CD機, 24bit既CD機, 同24bit聲效卡以電腦播放, 再比較過AMCD喺唔同bit數解碼既效果; 再用Toslink由呢三部機輸出俾部DAT機做解碼來再比較一次. 為左得到比較公平既結果, 我送請了一位經常聽歌既朋友一齊聽. 結果沒有驚喜, 只要由同一部擴音機出聲, 一致認同AMCD既音色都係比較難以入耳. 當然, 都可以話係系統matching軟件造成既結果. 不過, 咁起碼可以代表就算用唔同既CD transport或解碼, 小弟依然無法讓AMCD播出好音色. 多謝yuppi ching講出對唔同CD既睇法, 我大部份都同意. 只係HDCD方面, 始終唔用HDCD player來播時失真比較大, 所以如果俾我選擇, 我會揀DSDCD優先終HDCD. |
kencheung810 正式會員221.xxx.xxx.238 |
2011-05-15 11:58 | |
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| [#175] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 1. Blu-Ray Audio CD: 規格最高, 可惜仲未出過廣東歌 2. SACD: 直接記錄 DSD 訊號, 減少訊號轉換所產生既失真, 可惜因為成本問題, 售價比較貴, 導致利潤及銷售量下降, 香港唱片商唯有發展 "古惑 CD" 及 "天價 CDR" 吸引一班信徒 3. DVD-A: 呢個制式比 SACD 打死左, 可惜.... 4. K2HD/ XRCD2: 好鐘意佢擺明用調音方式去改良母帶質素咁坦白, 不過要睇下個工程師做母帶時既狀態, 所以質素比較參差不齊. (因為母帶質素比 CD 物料重要千百倍, 吾同物料極其量只會減少 CD 機讀碟 ERROR, 並吾會改良音色, 吾同物料既 CD 有不同既音色多數係因為母帶做左手腳, 大家明嗎.....) 5. HDCD: 普通的CD只用16比特. HDCD運用先進的系統, 把另外的4比特也編碼到CD上, 既克服了普通16比特CD的限制, 又可以與它們兼容...不過因為少人有 HDCD player, 香港唱片商又再次放棄呢個多少少成本而可以提高音質既方案... 6. DSD CD: 比較成熟既 CD 方案 Thanks YUPPI, It is a good summary of multiple CD variations in the market . Frankly, I am a bit curious how AMCD make money at a retail price $160. Assume Wagner makes net profit of $ 100 per CD , the total profit is only HK$ 1 Million if they deliver 10 CDs each 1000 copies and selling ALL of them? The profit seems not really attractive I do not want to go into battle which is a better format. Just want to highlight that AMCD could be a good choice. There is some equalisation of the frequency spectrum, and it is to an acceptible extent taking into consideration the overall performance improvement. It could perform very well in some systems. Yet it is quite picky and not user friendly enough to please most audio systems. The CD formats list above is informative. Wherever possible, I like to always going for the first lot releases of the CDs with the original standard format. SACD is great but it requires a SACD player to do the right job. There is also no problem with K2HD/XRCD/LPCD when the sound engineers know what they are doing, but unfortunately some already lost their ways. HDCD is my favourite at a budget, but they are less popular now. 1:1 CDR is beyond my budget range... Happy listening! 最後修改時間: 2011-05-15 12:13:54 |
faimiu 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.108 |
2011-05-15 12:09 |
| [#176] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 kencheung810 ching, 冇錯 HDCD方面, 唔用HDCD player來播時失真比較大, 不過用 HDCD Player 無論定位空間感真係比 CD 好...不過宜家香港已經好少出... |
yuppi 正式會員 14.xxx.xxx.28 |
2011-05-15 12:12 |
| [#177] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 faimiu hing, 以宜家香港唱片市場, 有一百萬 profit 已經係奇蹟... AMCD 對於唱片公司黎講真係會帶黎比較可觀既利潤, 至於 1:1 CDR...簡直係"神話"...完全神化 最後修改時間: 2011-05-15 12:20:37 |
yuppi 正式會員 14.xxx.xxx.28 |
2011-05-15 12:16 |
| [#178] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 Dear Yuppi It is really a pity on the profitability of the business. First I doubt they can make $1M profit, next their revenue return period is at least 3 to 6 mths, which are just peanuts to a company of this scale. BTW, Wagner did release a batch of HDCDs for these singers around 2000. They are reasonably priced and user friendly to most playback systems. |
faimiu 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.108 |
2011-05-15 12:35 |
| [#179] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 Dear Ken Thanks for sharing the observations. Another good copy could be the Mastersonic copy released a few years after the original copy. In terms of matching, i guess the old 16-bit CDP should work quite well with the 85' TO release, even without Toslink and 24-bit decoder? 最後修改時間: 2011-05-15 13:00:26 |
faimiu 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.108 |
2011-05-15 12:56 |
| [#180] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 33 真係咩人都有, 登完呢段野即刻有個二手佬要我平價賣隻葉蒨文 AMCD 俾佢, 我吾賣就發我"難渣"... 睇清楚, 我吾賣係因為隻 SACD 同 AMCD 既歌係吾相同, 並吾係因為隻 AMCD 好聲! |
yuppi 正式會員 14.xxx.xxx.28 |
2011-05-15 13:58 |
| [#181] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 faimiu ching: 無錯! 16-bit舊既CD player 播TO版發揮得好好, 平衡度同音場定位都無械可擊. 24-bit(Denon AL24 plus)果部都ok, 不過用左24-bit decode好似攪到空間感好大咁... 兩種聽法各有優點, 而16-bit就比較原汁原味喇. 最後修改時間: 2011-05-15 14:38:21 |
kencheung810 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.238 |
2011-05-15 14:36 |
| [#182] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 Dear Ken Have you tried to connect your old 16-bit CDP to your 24-bit DAC using a digital Coaxial LInk? The assumption is that the 16-bit CD Transport is a better match to the 85's TO release, and the 24-bit decoder is of higher quality than the old CDP's built-in one. In this case, the Toslink is just not the best connection media for this specific CD . Have some fun! 最後修改時間: 2011-05-15 15:08:54 |
faimiu 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.108 |
2011-05-15 14:53 |
| [#183] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 toslink little bit clean but harsh sound |
batmanames04 正式會員 180.xxx.xxx.141 |
2011-05-15 16:09 |
| [#184] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 Toslink既頻寬唔及coaxial, 用在16-bit器材中ok, 但如果24-bit器材我會用coaxial. |
kencheung810 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.238 |
2011-05-15 23:03 |
| [#185] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 吾該阿 "OldBarbie" 有咩就響呢度公開講, 你好煩呀, 吾好再 PM 我發 "難渣", 我係吾會 $90 賣隻葉蒨文 AMCD 俾你架啦 |
yuppi 正式會員 14.xxx.xxx.28 |
2011-05-15 23:43 |
| [#186] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 Yuppi HING, you must keep the Sally Yeh SACD as the sound quality is really good. for AMCD, the sound is a bit too hifi and not as analogue as it claimed to be. Happy listening! Cwks |
cwks 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.35 |
2011-05-16 09:25 |
| [#187] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 Dear Ken Thanks for sharing. My personal experience of using ST Link that sometimes it serves better than Co-axial. It depends on the software (CD). So I have both connections ready all the time. |
faimiu 正式會員 192.xxx.xxx.193 |
2011-05-16 09:47 |
| [#188] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 cwks hing, Agreed. 隻 SACD 近乎完美, 而且係朋友送既, 一定吾賣. 而隻葉蒨文 AMCD d 聲好尖, 呼吸聲大左, 人聲同樂器聲定位改變左, 不過因為佢有隻 "零時十分', 所以我吾會賣. |
yuppi 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.20 |
2011-05-16 10:29 |
| [#189] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 個人覺得唔理是甚麼制式的CD, 最緊要都係母盤的製作水準, 若母盤是發燒級別, 則印製普通CD都可以好靚聲, 反之, 若母盤只是一般流行曲的水準, 則甚麼制式其實都只是音色上的分野. 所以舊版也好, AMCD或K2CD版也好, 都會因各人的口味及自家的器材不同, 產生不同的見解. 自己估計那些七八十年代的舊流行曲, 只是以一般流行曲的要求來製作, 說甚麼甚麼版好靚聲? 其實我都不會太相信,若用一般的合理價錢買隻來試聽下則無妨, 炒價我就不會買了. |
天富仔 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.2 |
2011-05-16 11:38 |
| [#190] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 It is absolutely ok that different people have different preferences. No 2 people are the same, and no 2 audio systems are identical. My view the quality of a CD depends on 3 key components 1) The music/singer/performance 2) technology 3) the record engineer/director (1) is apparent as nobody is interested if the performance itself is un-attractive (2) is the baseline and nowadays there is no excuse for poor quality due to technological problems. (3) is critical and definitive in the final outcome. In many cases, it is the talent of the sound engineer/director - his past experiences, his knowledge in technology, and his understanding of the music that can help him to extract the most at the recording and production stage. (1) and(3) are scarce resources. It explains why we have audiophile graded recordings back to 50's and 60's, and we still have rubbish recordings produced today! 最後修改時間: 2011-05-16 14:10:08 |
faimiu 正式會員 192.xxx.xxx.193 |
2011-05-16 14:08 |
| [#191] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 Yuppi hing, Sacd 1+1 edition 有多款都好聲, 徐小鳳便是好例子, 重有娛樂电视劇精選等, 當年買成舊幾水, 今日睇返真係超值, 我有LPCD45,Blu-Spec版本都比不上, 雖然科技日新月異、但實在新不如舊. 惟有徐小鳳新HQCD例外. cwks |
cwks 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.35 |
2011-05-16 15:44 |
| [#192] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 AMCD = Artificial Music & Compressed Dynamics? |
CKL2 正式會員 143.xxx.xxx.2 |
2011-05-17 09:25 |
| [#193] 華納 AMCD 限量一千編碼 美國版 實在不明白, 市面有咁多制式的CD, 為何只討論AMCD呢? 我見到K2都出咗好多新碟喎!? |
天富仔 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.2 |
2011-05-17 11:07 |
