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| [#21] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland 會唔會550A II更夾聲,我都考慮中. |
豬豬豬仔包 正式會員58.xxx.xxx.109 |
2008-03-13 11:32 | |
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| [#22] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland ＞ICEpower module 仟多二仟多巳有一件,牴嗎? 但確實唔同廠用同一件 ICEpower，係唔同聲． 下下用內裡用料成本價來決定抵唔抵，意義唔大．即係請個 CEO 唔係用個磅秤下邊個重ｄ來決定抵唔抵架． |
devilcoach 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.42 |
2008-03-13 12:09 |
| [#23] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland tube o.k. ma??  |
dominic36 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.204 |
2008-03-13 17:39 |
| [#24] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland "ICEpower module 仟多二仟多巳有一件" Where? I want to buy 1 for spare... |
DD 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.181 |
2008-03-13 21:06 |
| [#25] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland 我都唔認為JR d機值咁貴! 音色係唔錯,不過唔襟聽. 反而Luxman仲有味. 同意買AMP係以音色0岩唔0岩自己為原則,並唔係睇部AMP用咩料;不過,如果部AMP只係用d值幾千蚊0既料而又賣得好鬼貴的話,心理上始終過唔到. |
Nismera 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.32 |
2008-03-14 00:32 |
| [#26] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland ＞＞＞ L-509U仲嚇人,個Volume制成鑵汽水咁大!! 果個係東京光音volume，淨係個volume都唔平！ |
Go4WAR 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.84 |
2008-03-14 00:57 |
| [#27] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland 一 部 50萬 OR 100萬 AMP 尼 地 估 材 料 費 過 唔 過 2萬 0丫 0拿????? ^^ 一 部 一 千 元 OR 2 千 元 AV AMP 可 能 刀 有 幾 百 至 一 千 元 材 料 GA~ ^^ |
沙田超人 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.186 |
2008-03-14 02:28 |
| [#28] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland ＞＞＞ L-509U仲嚇人,個Volume制成鑵汽水咁大!! 果個係東京光音volume，淨係個volume都唔平！ ------------------------------------------------ The cheaper Class A integrated amps L550AII & 590AII only uses ALPS step-wise volume, unlike L509U using self-designed and self-crafted volume made by resistors one by one, the Bronze shell (size as if a coca cola can) can shield against those RFI and Electro-magnetic interference. No remote control for this integrated amp by virtue of non-magnetic interference. The EI Transformer really accounts for its tube-trait warmth and pure midrange. http://www.wisesound.com.hk/webedit/UploadFile/200791912189766.pdf http://www.luxman.co.jp/product/ia_l-509u.html#top It at least costs about 15K for that volume lah!  |
george1977 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.200 |
2008-03-14 09:02 |
| [#29] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland 一定要LUX x 2 ! |
萬俵鐵平 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.40 |
2008-03-14 09:07 |
| [#30] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland Hello George, "It at least costs about 15K for that volume lah!" ＞＞＞ I know this volume is very expensive but cost HK$15,000.00, really? Tks. |
rockylo 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.20 |
2008-03-14 09:15 |
| [#31] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland LUX d 機好靚仔真是太正.  |
萬俵鐵平 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.40 |
2008-03-14 09:21 |
| [#32] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland ＞同意買AMP係以音色0岩唔0岩自己為原則,並唔係睇部AMP用咩料;不過,如果部AMP只係用d值幾千蚊0既料而又賣得好鬼貴的話,心理上始終過唔到. 咁，設計amp既人既知識，值唔值錢？ 你有辦法打開部機，逐年零件同坉p來貨價，但係係有冇辦法，打開luxman同JR設計師既腦袋，睇下呇a各值幾錢？ 於是只能用一件完成品去評價整體效果，而唔係用料． 唔好誤會，我唔係話JR比luxman好（我都冇聽過所講既luxman model），而係話咁既價值判斷方法有咩問題． 大陸人思維，只講硬件，即係起埋晒ｄ好靚既酒店，管理就一堆屎咁．評價hi fi，唔通我地又係只睇零件，唔理人地點設計？ |
devilcoach 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.42 |
2008-03-14 11:29 |
| [#33] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland 東京光音volume is a genuine stae-of-the-art step-wise attenuator, unlike those digital-controlled volumes ( Penny & Giles conductive-plastic used in ML 26s or 32) and ALPS OEM part (though undeniably high precision and durable as well), its advantage is higher precision , better durability, self-cleaning mode, anti-RFI (with bronze shielded) and mechanical precision, the previous Luxman flagship C-10 has already adopted this costly handmade volume 10 yrs ago which withstand the test of time for a decade. Buying Luxman also buy their commitment of quality and post-sale service, they also have a stock of all parts (except computer chips) for maintenance for next 30 years. My L505s still sounds great after singing 12 years!If tw wants your bookshelf Proac for richer and forceful bass with dynamic and control, he better try out Luxman L509U or 505U!  |
george1977 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.200 |
2008-03-14 11:49 |
| [#34] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland 咁，設計amp既人既知識，值唔值錢？ 你有辦法打開部機，逐年零件同坉p來貨價，但係係有冇辦法，打開luxman同JR設計師既腦袋，睇下呇a各值幾錢？ 於是只能用一件完成品去評價整體效果，而唔係用料． 唔好誤會，我唔係話JR比luxman好（我都冇聽過所講既luxman model），而係話咁既價值判斷方法有咩問題． 大陸人思維，只講硬件，即係起埋晒ｄ好靚既酒店，管理就一堆屎咁．評價hi fi，唔通我地又係只睇零件，唔理人地點設計？ -------------------------------------------------- Agreed partially! Please dun forget that we are also buying the designer's knowledge, time & effot of manufacture, taste and judgement of designer and engineer, brand philosophy and its post-sale service. I did listen to JRDG (though never compare with Luxman in the same A/B session) but the new Class D amp is not my cup of tea (subjective taste! but I did like their previous Class AB amps), and JRDG's use of OEM ICE power chip (B&O) also reflects his tendency to AV use (just take a look of NuForce!) instead of pure Hi-End Audio listening. Design philosophy and its conglomerate sound also involves use of parts, material and circuit, I agree with you that we should not judge gear only by the use of parts, also the sound itself and quality of whole gear. For most layman like us, the use of parts and resultant sound quality have been the most obvious criteria to choose gears. BTW, I vote for Luxman product because they are well-stablished and self-developing their product by collective design, instead of individual one-man-design concept. Remember the lesson of Mark Levinson, CELLO and Red Rose? then you know what I am talking about! I do value commitment and heritage of old brands! |
george1977 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.200 |
2008-03-14 12:08 |
| [#35] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland 冇錯,好既design係值錢既. 不過,用平料,聲靚,天價. 用貴料,都係聲靚,又係天價, 你會點? 問題係你buy唔buy intangible 既野先. |
rickkkk 正式會員 61.xxx.xxx.155 |
2008-03-14 12:23 |
| [#36] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland 冇錯,好既design係值錢既. 不過,用平料,聲靚,天價. 用貴料,都係聲靚,又係天價, 你會點? 問題係你buy唔buy intangible 既野先. --------------------- 若果兩部機都一樣咁靚，我buy外觀岩我果部． 成個新經濟好多野都intangible，唔buy都唔得． |
devilcoach 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.42 |
2008-03-14 12:31 |
| [#37] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland 其實你又可以張貴料同平料拆細睇． 一粒貴料電容，坌Jbuilt material比一粒平料電容，分別有幾大？到最後都係設計貴料電容既intellectual cost主導岈I解咁貴． |
devilcoach 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.42 |
2008-03-14 12:34 |
| [#38] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland Other than the cost of material used in parts, the design of circuit also play an important role of circuit design, it exactly reflects the brand philisophy and designer's taste and preference of sound! |
george1977 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.200 |
2008-03-14 12:39 |
| [#39] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland Luxman C-10 is not using 東京光音volume. |
Go4WAR 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.189 |
2008-03-14 15:13 |
| [#40] Luxman vs Jeff Rowland 我差DD就買了  |
dominic36 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.227 |
2008-03-14 18:52 |
