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[#5189] Harbeth同好會 Just come back from meeting with Alan Shaw, I can say you guys missed the very interesting gathering. AS is such a funny and talkative person, he shared with us lots of new product idea his has in mind, and he is very opened mind and willing to listen to voice from customers. ------------------------ Any photos to share with readers? The photo below shows my pair of Harbeth LS3/5A that he put his autograph on when he came to my place in 2005. ^^		rcwy 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.233	2009-09-24 23:17

[#5190] Harbeth同好會
Just listened to a few tracks.
- Good Bait - John Coltrane
- Ballet of a Runaway Horse - Jennifer Warnes/Rob Wasserman
- THe Pianist Soundtrack
- Glenn Gould - Bach Goldberg Variation 1981

Yes - ROundabout (24/96)
Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now (24/96)

Some Leslie Cheung song from his LPCD

So far so good, gobs of details that I have never heard before. The difference is unsubtle. There seems be a lot more bass energy, could have something to do with the gain level. I have not had much time to research yet.

Question probably for CranFan, with my MacBook and iTunes, I am supposed to have to exit iTUnes and go to Weiss Panel to change sampling rate. But for some reason I can play any sampling rate from iTunes without switching the Weiss without anything sounding slow or fast, is that normal? Why is that? I can confirm that the Weiss light on the front panel does not change if I play songs with different sampling rate. But the song seems to play fine at different rate then the front panel. What gives?

agentsmittie

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219.xxx.xxx.247

2009-09-25 00:16

[#5191] Harbeth同好會
just came back from the gathering also. agree with M40 hing, AS is a nice and funny person. Thx Harbeth hing for the arrangement.

agentsmittie hing,

congra to the new toy. don't forget to bring it out when next gathering.^_^

btw, have u raise yr question to DWS directly in Weiss thread? i don't know Weiss's design but in normal, DAC and "accept" and playback a range of sample file (such as 16/44.1 to 24/192)....

gneonhk

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203.xxx.xxx.142

2009-09-25 00:24

[#5192] Harbeth同好會
it's good after a long wait you can enjoy your music once again, all over again, with your new toy.

OF COURSE you can tell it's very different from your SB in ten seconds, most of us who were in the harbeth session on dac shared similar feelings that this weiss dac is sth special. afterall, 一分錢一分貨 is 硬道理！

if it sounded the same as your SB, then why would you pay for all the difference to a get a weiss?

mahi

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218.xxx.xxx.126

2009-09-25 00:46

[#5193] Harbeth同好會
Thx gneonhk hing. i'd be glad to contribute.

yes i have emailed kent directly. He'll probably get back to me soon.

Unlink PC, Mac/iTunes does not know how to switch bit depth and sampling rate to the Weiss DAC directly. So every time I need to change sampling rate I have to exit out and change it from the Weiss software directly.

The thing that I do not understand is I can play a track with different sampling rate then the Weiss DAC setup and still sounds fine. So that puzzles me a bit.

ANyway wish I was at the airport gathering. I just didnt have enough time to make it tonight.

agentsmittie

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219.xxx.xxx.247

2009-09-25 00:47

[#5194] Harbeth同好會
mahi hing

Well you know I am a reverse golden ear. I am very slow to discern differences. Remember last time we compared the Transporter wth Klimax DS? I could only hear very subtle differences.

But this is a lot more unsubtle then that. Of course I have been listening to a naked SB2 and that is not a fair comparison.

But I am very happy, The DAC2 looks better in person too.

agentsmittie

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219.xxx.xxx.247

2009-09-25 00:54

[#5195] Harbeth同好會
i think there's hardware upsampling built-in in weiss, so whatever setting you have in itunes will be up-samplied again in the dac.

mahi

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218.xxx.xxx.126

2009-09-25 00:54

[#5196] Harbeth同好會
to be honest and i'd say it only in here, i also had the same impression that transporter did not sound too differently from the klimax ds. of course the klimax was more quiet, had better soundstage, bass etc etc. because the basic 音色 was very close, i.e. fairly neutral.

weiss on the other hand had this 華麗的高音，very seductive and 高貴。

mahi

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218.xxx.xxx.126

2009-09-25 01:00

[#5197] Harbeth同好會
Well I do recall that the weiss is 32 bit so at least the bit depth is probably upped to 32 bit

agentsmittie

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219.xxx.xxx.247

2009-09-25 01:14

[#5198] Harbeth同好會
＞I can confirm that the Weiss light on the front panel does not change if I play songs with different sampling rate. But the song seems to play fine at different rate then the front panel. What gives?

It is because Mac OS has built-in resampling feature, it will output whatever rate is configured in the audio configure screen. So if you play 24/96 file with OS configured to 16/24, the file will be coverted to 16/24. Therefore it is no no from sonic perspective.

Always configure the OS to the same native rate of audio file.

m40

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113.xxx.xxx.168

2009-09-25 07:32

[#5199] Harbeth同好會
So if you play 24/96 file with OS configured to 16/44, the file will be coverted to 16/44. Therefore it is no no from sonic perspective.

m40

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113.xxx.xxx.168

2009-09-25 07:33

[#5200] Harbeth同好會
BTW, about gathering with AS. No one actually took photo except the host and AS, because we all enjoyed the chat too much.

m40

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113.xxx.xxx.168

2009-09-25 07:35

[#5201] Harbeth同好會
Dear all c-hings,

I am currently selling my Sound Mechanics speaker stand which I use with the SHL-5.

Dimension is 12.5" W x 11" D x 20" H (w/ spikes)

If anyone is interested please PM me.

Thanks.

DaBears

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119.xxx.xxx.73

2009-09-25 21:12

[#5202] Harbeth同好會
smittie hing,

once you have enuf fun with weiss, try the amarra and let us know! i think there's free trial right?

mahi

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218.xxx.xxx.126

2009-09-26 11:37

[#5203] Harbeth同好會
Well Amarra is one of those thing that would be a huge leap of faith for me to be convinced.

They claim there is no equalization going on and is 100% bit perfect. If that is the case then I cannot understand how it could be dramatically different than a garden variety player like iTunes.

And Amarra has been suspiciously sparse in their description of their products. WHen pressed all they say is "it is all on the math". Well what does that math do? Does it consume less CPU power and leave the machine breathing easier? Is it more "accurate", if it is then we have to assume the other player are in error. "Bit Perfect" to be means the output is bit by bit representative of the original source file. So how can they improve on perfection?

I could be completely misunderstanding this given my lack of technical knowledge. But they need to explain what is it that they are selling. I know of one tangible benefit, which is the auto switching of sampling rate without leaving iTunes.

And being an audiofool I am easily to be convinced, if they tell a reasonable story I might just bite.

And a reliable little bird hinted to me that the main difference is the auto switching feature. So I left to be convinced.

I think the evaluation copy requires a dongle as well?

agentsmittie

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219.xxx.xxx.247

2009-09-26 12:45

[#5204] Harbeth同好會
i really have no idea of what it does, but since what ayre licensed from wavelength on async. processing is also software only, amarra may have sth special code, or maybe not :D

anyway, if even trying it costs money, then don't bother with it now. enjoy what you have.

mahi

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218.xxx.xxx.126

2009-09-26 13:57

[#5205] Harbeth同好會
I am not sure if one needs to pay for the evaluation.

Am enjoying this new toy immensely. I am sure at some point I may become itchy enough to try the Amarra. I just hope they reveal more about their design and what makes them click.

They need a party line.

agentsmittie

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219.xxx.xxx.247

2009-09-26 15:44

[#5206] Harbeth同好會
Rover Hing,

Brought the DA11 home, connected to the system and run it for few hours. In my wooden ear the music played by the DA11 is excellent. It added much definition to high, mid and low. The bass of my system is now more tight and solid, and the high is more transparent and clear. And it improve much on both the images and soundstage. In one word: Analogue sound!!!

A value for money product! Thanks for your recommendation!

ptholeo

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119.xxx.xxx.62

2009-09-29 18:12

[#5207] Harbeth同好會
ptholeo hing,

congra.

seems da11 will become Harbeth同好會 reference weapon...

gneonhk

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203.xxx.xxx.232

2009-09-29 19:49

[#5208] Harbeth同好會
Thanks Gneonhk Hing,

By the way, anything worth to share in the gathering with Alan Shaw?

ptholeo

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119.xxx.xxx.62

2009-09-30 09:25