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[#41] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
805 唔得不代表其他唔得,再者除左單元還有聲箱設計!
anthlai
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2010-07-01 21:22
[#42] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
here are different audiophile in us review 805s with different audio equipment

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/bookshelf-speakers/b-and-w/805s/PRD_334886_4290crx.aspx
batmanames04
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2010-07-01 23:29
[#43] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
if 805s not a discontinued model, i think you can take your amp 212 to bw cental showroom audition it with 805s, (but please ask the manager mr mak, he s very good guy never seen before in audio industry, three years ago i have been to show room central district blowing water with him testing sg805 and without buying anything)
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But 212 is to heavy for me to delivery to BW for audition !!
sheepsheep1210
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2010-07-01 23:39
[#44] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
f-u-n-g C Hing said;
I had use the entry level of accuphase long time ago, I had use 805 and dyna also.
My experence is entry level accuphase not power enought to handle the speaker well.
If u love your 212 very much, u better down grade your speaker to let 212 can handle it.
Since your dyna is a good speaker, so I suggest u to upgrade your amp. first.
Perhapd u can buy a accuphase power amp and use the 212 as pre-amp to try .
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So should really change the Amp more powerful such as E450
Any comments for me? thanks again !
sheepsheep1210
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2010-07-01 23:45
[#45] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
信下我D金仔入門用家
以高標準泥講
E450推805祇可以話夾聲
細環境都祇係剛好
但低於E450/e408就真係唔睇好
再者,近代金仔E2XX真係比錢買個名
合併金仔祇有E4XX/E5XX才見真張


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MDLP
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2010-07-01 23:54
[#46] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
dyna focus nominal 4ohm speaker senstivity 86db

805S nominal 8ohm speaker (minimum loading 4.6ohm) sensitivity 89db ,

805s seems to have more easier loading for your accuphase 212

if your 212 can push your dyna give you pleasant sounding level, should not be any problem to 805S
batmanames04
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2010-07-02 00:48
[#47] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
accuphase 212 enjoy listening to complex classical music but have found it hard to listen to - particularly Debussy, due to the complicated rhythmic patterns. When I had the opportunity to upgrade my amplifier, the ability to unravel complex musical structures was very high on my list. The Accuphase was a revelation - unlike every other amplifier at its price bracket I tested, it transmitted sound with clarity that literally allowed me to hear every individual note in Mitsuko Uchida's legendary recording of Debussy's Preludes. Needless to say, such abilities work across the musical spectrum from rock and pop to orchestral. The Accuphase provides an immensely satisfying musical experience that truly justifies it being the most expensive component in my hi-fi system, rewriting the traditional rules. My dealer says that people have traded in £8000 worth of Naim to buy an Accuphase; I went in the other direction, which is less financially harmful!

Strengths:
Immmensely clear sound. Great bass response. Beautiful styling: classical, symmetrical. Fantastic build quality - looks set to last 25 years!

Weaknesses:
"unnecessary" (and unused) tone controls (although bypassable). Poor range of remote control.

review from audioreview

batmanames04
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2010-07-02 00:55
[#48] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
review 2Summary:
I change the E-212 amplifier for the E-407,but.... I think the E-407 have more power and better dinamics but the E-212 is absolutely clear,very detailed and very transparent.The E-407 is a little more musical but only a little.The E-407 is much better than the E-212 but this last (E-212) is a fantastic product. I remenber it.

Strengths:
Very detailed.Incredibly clear and transparent.

Weaknesses:
This amplifier is fantastic but needs (compared with his big brothers) a little more musicality and sweetness.

Similar Products Used:
Mc Intosh,Krell


batmanames04
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2010-07-02 00:57
[#49] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
accuphase e212 review 3
Summary:
I had a Cayin A-88T, a Vecteur I6.2, Vecteur I4.2, compared it to a Krell KAV-400xi... and I found it so "musical" with my Cayin CDT-17A by XLR on "my" Ellis 1801b that I purchased it nearly at once, in despite of some weakness: short bass especially and the sound staying into the speakers, any way like most of all the ampli I have tried...But emotion was there...
I found it transparent also and a lot of potentiel...So I lent it to my friend "the magicien from Belgium" alias André Devillers. He told me that cables in the ampli were less goods than in the previous version, the E-210. He changed a lot of crossover parts -nearly fifty-, changed a little bit the scheme to improve the XLR-Symetric entries which were very bad indeed. Yes, actually the E-212 is not a true XLR-symetric integreted ampli, but André did it very well: no difference actually between XLR and RCA entries except balance input level of course... And now, I have an astonished ampli, the best one I have ever heard and André was surprised himself, as usually when he tweaks some hifi items. He tweaked also my Cayin CDT-17A, revised the scheme as well to give his best, changed some AOP, changed the capacitors -Mundorf- as well: the CDP so optimized has nothing to do with the original one...
And he want to optimized my Ellis 1801b as well. I am not afraid about it but Dave Ellis and Denis Murphy did it so well...Perhaps soon...

Strengths:
detailed is perfect but not my matter: I would say "musical", that's enough...But Optimized by André Devillers -OAD-, this ampli is marvellous indeed, it breathes...You just listen to the music and the singers without worring nor thinking about what you have about technical items in your room...

Weaknesses:


batmanames04
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2010-07-02 00:58
[#50] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
真係唔好介意
805無你想象中咁易推得好
E212有你要求咁好聲
都無你想象中咁好力

當然
插線有聲無比較
加幾分幻想
自然心安理得
MDLP
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2010-07-02 01:12
[#51] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
many C hing only read specification and don't know 易推=/=推得好!!
anthlai
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2010-07-02 01:53
[#52] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
>>>>.....都無你想象中咁好力.... X2
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幾年前由E206升上E408, 只恨升得太遲.

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cornercube
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2010-07-02 06:53
[#53] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
batmanames04 C hing said :
dyna focus nominal 4ohm speaker senstivity 86db

805S nominal 8ohm speaker (minimum loading
4.6ohm) sensitivity 89db ,

805s seems to have more easier loading for your accuphase 212

if your 212 can push your dyna give you pleasant sounding level, should not be any problem to 805S
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MDLP CHing said :
真係唔好介意
805無你想象中咁易推得好
E212有你要求咁好聲
都無你想象中咁好力
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should I change more powerful Amp or speaker 805 Now? I'm so confuse !!
sheepsheep1210
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2010-07-02 08:13
[#54] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
I suggest to change more powerful accuphase amp, keep 805 is still a right choice.
acwng
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2010-07-02 11:04
[#55] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
sheepsheep1210hing,

I mean most dynaaudio design speakers with low sensitivity 87dB and low impedance , but you are satifisy with e212 (you already have it )driving it without problem,

so bw 89dB sensitivity 2db better than dyna 8ohm impedance , minium 4.6ohm

if you trust bw and dyna s data provide, you should satisify with your amp driving bw.


but MDLP c hing another opionion from pratical listeners point of view, e212 still not enough driving difficult loading. his opinion also good reference to you.

to audio , no ture or wrong, every people have different ear. some people trust spec and some people judge by experience.

any way you need judge by your ears and really listen to in actual situation e212 comes with 805S

E212 22kg only not heavy ( comparing A60 50kg )




batmanames04
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2010-07-02 11:30
[#56] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
信下我D金仔入門用家
以高標準泥講
E450推805祇可以話夾聲
細環境都祇係剛好
但低於E450/e408就真係唔睇好
再者,近代金仔E2XX真係比錢買個名
合併金仔祇有E4XX/E5XX才見真張
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我有d不同意, 我用金仔E-350推VIVID B1, 280呎廳, 力水絕對足夠有突, 如果用塊布摭住佢, 我同人講係mark仔或其他4,5百watt後級都有人信.

金仔入門機缺點係聲比較cool同埋size吾夠台型
linear
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2010-07-02 12:10
[#57] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
金仔入門機缺點係聲比較cool同埋size吾夠台型
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I'm very agree this c hing !!^^ Thanks!
sheepsheep1210
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2010-07-02 12:22
[#58] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
I suggest you to buy a 2 hand Accuphase power amp. try try first. Using your 212 as pre-amp. This shld be cheaper than buying a new 450.
After upgrading your power amp. , u shld know u like the sound of Accuphase or the sound of the speaker. Then decide which way to go at that time.
f-u-n-g
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2010-07-02 12:38
[#59] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
But E450 is a int.Amp ,why Using my 212 for pre-amp ?
sheepsheep1210
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2010-07-02 12:44
[#60] 用金桑子AMP推B&W 805S OK 嗎?    
問題好少比錢一定得!!


yauyau hing you are quite humour. yesterday i have seen the world s first real balance aava accuphase c3800 and i will attend a listening session this sunday in tokyo.

appearance c3800 almost no different from c2810 excepet the rooftop, so if you exchange c2810 to c3800, your boss would not know it.
batmanames04
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2010-07-02 13:05
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