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| [#41] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Pls advise where we can hear the 'horning'? |
Goldie50 正式會員220.xxx.xxx.107 |
2006-09-15 22:12 | |
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| [#42] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! goldie50, pls go to audioexotics.com to arrange a listening session. The guy, Mr. Leung is very nice and thoughtful. Matthew,the Horning should not be difficult to set up because it has only a 5 inch DX55 firing forward, what it really needs is plenty of space behind the speakers. The Ultimate model as reviewed in 6moon is quite different because it has a 8 inch Lowther in the front and 2x 12inches bass units at the back which requires larger space to accomodate the front and back sound wave as well as a very good amp with high damping factor to control the 2 large bass units so that all the units come with the same speed, a difficult job for tube amps especially the Ongaku.My wife went with me to the audition last week, she loves the Horning appearance, so I guess the black paino wood is home-friendly in this sense. |
ptsang 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.123 |
2006-09-17 17:55 |
| [#43] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! its official site appears not updated. May you advise their model price range? If remembered correctly, they are in ranging from 100K onwards? |
Goldie50 正式會員 58.xxx.xxx.218 |
2006-09-17 20:47 |
| [#44] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! The website is www.audioexotics.hk |
Mussolini 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.46 |
2006-09-17 23:25 |
| [#45] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! no, i mean the horning site. no models can be seen from audioexotics. |
Goldie50 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.152 |
2006-09-18 00:36 |
| [#46] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Peter, So when is the Horning going in? Ongaku driving the Horning must really be something. For me, I like the Horning too, but until I move, I can't possibily fit the speakers in my room. There is a recessed area (hole) of 9ft x 2 ft where I can put the TV and hi-fi. Currently my Kharma is already sticking out about 10 inches, partially blocking the corridor. So the Horning won't be a possibility until I move, hopefully by early next year. |
MatthewC 正式會員 206.xxx.xxx.34 |
2006-09-18 11:09 |
| [#47] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Goldie50 Hing, what I know the Horning has at least 2 current models, the one I heard is the flagship and it's quoted at EURO30,000 with discount of course, have not asked quotes for the other models.Worth to have a listen if you are already familar with other current brands, it does not have the Lowther shout, at least not apparent and plenty of low level dynamics and clarity which suggest the X'over has minimal influence to the input and output of music information.The sound has a lot of resemblance to the WE755A character, smooth and natural though not as life like as the 755A in the mid. Mat, I'm still thinking and doing some research if there could be other alternatives that could match well with the Ongaku. So even if I've decided, it will take 2-3 weeks for delivery from Danmark(Mr. Leung declined my request to buy his pair). By then in mid-Aug I shall not be in Hong Kong for about 3 weeks, so I guess the earliest time is about early Sep. Anyway, you are welcome to come and hear the Horning in my place if all this happens in due course. |
ptsang 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.153 |
2006-09-18 17:38 |
| [#48] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Hi Mat, got the month wrong, should be early Nov and not early Sep, sorry for the confusion. |
ptsang 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.153 |
2006-09-18 18:34 |
| [#49] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Hi ptsang, I envy you guys having the Ongaku. Last week, I had the chance to audition 2 sets in one day and I was very impressed. I would love to have the chance of listening to yours. BTW, how do you compare Ongaku to say Shindo or Wavac? |
JCR33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.131 |
2006-09-18 19:53 |
| [#50] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! JC, Sorry we didnt' get to finish our conversation earlier. I think I will attempt to compare Shindo 300B Limited and Ongaku a bit, since I used to own the Shindo as well. The Shindo 300B started out back in the 70's as something "inspired" by the WE 91A, I believe. But Ken Shindo keep improving it ever since and the circuit topology is quite different now. No capacitor in the signal path, w/ each signal tube (WE310A, WE349 and 300B) having it's own tube rectified power supply (i.e. 3 rectifier tubes). The circuit is actually very complex, whereas the Ongaku circuit is simpler. The Shindo also employes 3db of negative feedback, whereas the Ongaku has none (ok, maybe some local feedback in later versions, but I am not positive). Sound-wise, the Ongaku has something special about it that's very captivating. Tonal color is "vivid". The Shindo, while no less competent, is more reserved. The overriding character of the 300B is its refinement. The amp is exceedingly quiet, agile, composed and sounding at ease. The Ongaku is more vivid, and the Shindo has better shadows, and with better control and punch. I have a suspecion that the Ongaku might be able micro-dynamic better, but I am not sure. Another practical consideration is the gain of the amps. The Ongaku is actually quite high-gain. My CD12 - Ongaku - Kharma chain has too much over gain already, and the volume is always on either the 2nd or 3 step. So pairing w/ high efficiency speaker may be an issue? If you are considering horns, I think either will be plenty dynamic enough. At 100+ db sensitive, the Shindo just might be quieter though. |
MatthewC 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.193 |
2006-09-18 21:51 |
| [#51] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! ptsang hing: Many thanks for wellcome me to visit your place first! Have you got auditioned to the 'Fal' speaker, which is a japanese brand also carried by audioexotics. I've once got an opportunity to hear them in japan. They sound exceptional transparent & vivid, with a very clear, clean low bass that hardly found in market. Guessing they may sound right in companion with your Ongaku. http://www.fal.gr.jp The model i'm listening to, is the Supreme C-90EX |
Goldie50 正式會員 58.xxx.xxx.68 |
2006-09-18 22:16 |
| [#52] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! I listened to the Supreme C-90EX a few times. The vocal is exceptional. I later on got a chance listen to the Horning flagship. I think the Horning is really something special. The fal is not in that level yet. Just my 2 cents |
Mussolini 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.46 |
2006-09-19 00:06 |
| [#53] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! i would like to audition for the Fal once if i can, can you tell where i can have the chance except going to JP? Horning is exceptional, said to be better than Fal, getting know from the forum at audioexotic, that's why i ask for the location where i can hear the horning. But is it in the same price tag as the Fal C90EX. |
Goldie50 正式會員 220.xxx.xxx.218 |
2006-09-19 00:15 |
| [#54] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! the horning flagship model costs a few times more than the Fal already, checked it already -.- |
Goldie50 正式會員 220.xxx.xxx.218 |
2006-09-19 00:17 |
| [#55] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Hi MatthewC, Good to talk to you yesterday. Thank you for sharing your experience with Shindo and Ongaku. The magic of Ongaku is indeed unique and addictive. What is good about Ongaku is the simplicity. One amp and music. No hassle with wire and boxes everywhere. It is music and relaxation that I want to get not hardware and hardwork. As you said, with the right speakers, they will be singing nicely. If you know somebody using Shindo, I would like to have a chance to audition if possible. |
JCR33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.131 |
2006-09-19 06:18 |
| [#56] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Email info@audioexotics.com J.lam or Mr.Leung will respond. A friend of mine bought the Fal CX-90W before the Horning flagship arrived. There are quite a few users of FAL in their gallery page. |
Mussolini 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.46 |
2006-09-19 07:45 |
| [#57] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Peter, So by the time it's all said and done, the Horning will just be in time for X'mas! Let's have a party :-) I am seriously tempted to get a pair of Rey Audio myself. Or heck, even my old TAD 2402 will do. Wooden horn is what I like :-) But first thing first, let me sort out the overall gain... I am going to put a transformer volume control in front of the Ongaku to see if that works. If so, than I have a way out of my current difficulty. |
MatthewC 正式會員 206.xxx.xxx.34 |
2006-09-19 09:01 |
| [#58] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! Mussolini: so is your friend still owning the Fal speaker? any chance can have an audition? |
Goldie50 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.83 |
2006-09-19 12:25 |
| [#59] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! For sure the Horning Flagship will be in by X'mas, you are welcome to listen. Hopefully I can manage to tame these monsters by then. I'm also thinking of buying a PP300B for a different taste apart from the Ongaku, the Kondo Gakuon is very very good at Kondo's place, but expensive. WE86A is another choice, but no way I can find a matched pair.... Today, I went to Reference Audio to get a pair of RCA211, by now they are singing for several hours, apart from a bit tight/tense in their musical presentation(may be they are not boiling-in yet), they are miles superior than the GE211. Matthew, do you have the same problem at the first several hour.You mentioned about a volume control, what's the story about. |
ptsang 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.179 |
2006-09-19 23:08 |
| [#60] AudioNote Ongaku - I am in pain! MatthewC, Got your email. To me, OTA is the most direct RCA cable I know of. YOu can borrow them till Sat. OTA is so transparent that makes all ultra expensive cables sound muddy, cloudy and slow. The only problem will OTA is too cheap and thin. I will call you later to arrange giving you the cable today before going to the airport. 47 Lab OTA cable Contents: 0.4 mm OFC copper wire 'STRATOS' - 50m THE PLUG - 12 sets (makes 3 pairs of Interconnects) of machined soft plastic RCA plugs Manual Features: THE PLUG How can we connect the cables directly to the connectors without letting the current go through solders brass and platings? Our answer is two piece machined soft plastic plugs. These plugs deliver the least colorations and the fastest speed. STRATOS Newly designed solid-core copper wire. Sufficiently thin solid-core single strand wire without plating. These are the necessary and sufficient requirements for a conductor suitable for audio cables. In other words, other characteristics do not matter. The wire used for 'STRATOS' is a single strand of 0.4 m/m solid-core OFC copper wire. In combination with light and flexible tubing, this cable has a sensitive response to the rise and fall of signals, with uniform, even speed from the bottom end to the top end of audio frequency. Outstanding cost/performance ratio With this kit, you can make interconnects and speaker cables for whatever the length that suites your system. All you need is a wire-stripper (or something to strip the jacket off). Compatibility As an interconnect cable, with any components with RCA connectors. As speaker cables, between any amplifiers and speakers. Do not use them as power cords!  |
JCR33 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.131 |
2006-09-20 05:56 |
