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| [#81] Magico Factory Tour 孟波 Hing, You are so right in what you said. After the recent exchange here with the U, I have decided to give those Focal, JMLab the big flick. A total turn off for this productfrom my purchase list. |
NAR 正式會員219.xxx.xxx.167 |
2011-04-15 21:50 | |
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| [#82] Magico Factory Tour focal has not produced cracked cabinets like wilson. what do u say? yea this post is about magico but u guys had nothing contributed to the subject except attacking me. |
cpu8088 正式會員 115.xxx.xxx.214 |
2011-04-16 13:53 |
| [#83] Britten: Noye's Fludde Get this CD. The original LP will cost you a fortune.  |
bigcircleson 正式會員 121.xxx.xxx.79 |
2011-04-16 14:09 |
| [#84] Britten: Noye's Fludde i have that LP..haha somewhere..i think i can find it and may have that cd too hey..u like to share a little bit about the 1pekingroad club ( do i use the correct term " club") 最後修改時間: 2011-04-16 14:20:14 |
hahayanyan 正式會員 116.xxx.xxx.8 |
2011-04-16 14:17 |
| [#85] Britten: Noye's Fludde """"超"是粗口?! 真是長見識了，我差不多日日"超"我上司(反之亦然)，又無人講過"超"是粗口噃!""" yes it is. you use it same as your superior does not mean anything except both are rude and bad manner uneducated persons. """若我是FOCAL個老闆肯定用法文"小"你，邊有人搞唱好 promotion搞到你如此倒米既!Putain de merde! """ actually if you have met JM u will know he is one that can accept criticism. that is why his products are so innovative even wilson has to stick with using focal tweeters as it is not easy to find replacement products. |
cpu8088 正式會員 115.xxx.xxx.214 |
2011-04-16 14:36 |
| [#86] Britten: Noye's Fludde what have the LPs got to do with magico? |
cpu8088 正式會員 115.xxx.xxx.214 |
2011-04-16 14:38 |
| [#87] Magico Factory Tour """It is very irresponsible for people to strongly recommend a product to people without first of all own it, or associated it for a long time, unless he/she is a sales person or pretend to be a sales person with out without receiving commission. """ what about magazine reviewers? do they have to buy the products before they write good reviews? so flawed is your logic. if u want me to use or live with cracked wilson speakers and then comment on them u are in dreamland. |
cpu8088 正式會員 115.xxx.xxx.214 |
2011-04-16 14:45 |
| [#88] Magico Factory Tour if u are a movie critic do u have to be able to act or to direct in order to have the right to write a review? if u are a radio soccer commentator do u have to be a 1st class soccer player to make comments? if u are a tv formula one commentator do u have to drive like schumacher to call the race? if u are a music critic do u have to conduct like karajan or sing like elvis to comment on music? so the logic of what i own before i can comment on any audio product is flawed. |
cpu8088 正式會員 115.xxx.xxx.214 |
2011-04-16 14:54 |
| [#89] Magico Factory Tour cpu8088, May I ask what qualification do you hold? Do you fit into any listed below? Focal salesman; Music Critic; Movie Critic; Radio Soccer commentator; TV formula One commentator; You mentioned about Logic is what I got. I have nothing to say about this becaiuse I cannot see any, may be your friends can explain to me about your logic and where you come from. Have you ever become a magazine Reviewer on Loud Speakers in particular. If so , which magazine?? I like to have a discussion with your boss about your general attitude and performace in your work. If none, therefore, you are not qualified the way you carried on in the past in making the kind of comment against any particular brand of products. How would you feel if I make a direct opposite comment about your beloved Focal. Remember, if you insist, this is going to be a 2 way traffic and the best way to get this thread shut down totally. Happy days !!! Ka Ka Ka *********************************** I asked the same question in my many previous post and you have not answered me yet. What model Focal you are using at home, I am sure there are lots of users in R33 would like to know. What is your motive for hard selling Focal / JMLab and why are you rubbishing other products such as Wilson, I have heard your previous explanations but not convinced. I noticed your comment "if u want me to use or live with cracked wilson speakers and then comment on them u are in dreamland." But hey, I am still deciding which speakers but it seemed only noise and not music came from the Focal / JM Lab camp. It is hard to convince I will buy any of this brand name. How many people in R33 is prepared to come out to openly support your view, can you name a few, I like to know them. 最後修改時間: 2011-04-16 17:52:53 |
NAR 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.167 |
2011-04-16 17:39 |
| [#90] Magico Factory Tour if u are a movie critic do u have to be able to act or to direct in order to have the right to write a review? :: movie critic watched lots and lots of movies --- Do you cpu listen to Focal/JM Lab lots and lots of hours? if u are a radio soccer commentator do u have to be a 1st class soccer player to make comments? :: There were many 1st grade professional Ruby League players who turned league radio commentator --- Do you cpu associated with Focal /JM Lab professionally? if u are a tv formula one commentator do u have to drive like schumacher to call the race? :: I know Alan Jones, the Formula One driver called Formula One Race --- And How about you cpu8088?? if u are a music critic do u have to conduct like karajan or sing like elvis to comment on music? :: there are a few music critics who are drop out musicians or those who did not quite make it to become professional musicians, they became music critics, note: I use this as an example because professional musicians told me they do not like critics who wrote something inaccurate against them. ----- Are you 'cpu' one of those drop out who did not make it at all??? so the logic of what i own before i can comment on any audio product is flawed. :: Yes, you can make comment with sense, but when many people from the blog told you that your comment are often outrageous, inaccurate, do you ever listen to them and acknowledge their complaint against you??? You simply disregard people's feeling and carry on they way you did in the past. I hope you can find many friends in R33 or where ever you are. [Are you or are you not going to disclose to us what speakers and associated components you use at home.] 最後修改時間: 2011-04-16 19:50:26 |
NAR 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.167 |
2011-04-16 19:41 |
| [#91] Britten: Noye's Fludde yes it is. you use it same as your superior does not mean anything except both are rude and bad manner uneducated persons. ------------------------------------------- You are very good for nothing but obsolete and delusive ^.^ |
george1977 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.236 |
2011-04-16 20:00 |
| [#92] Britten: Noye's Fludde actually if you have met JM u will know he is one that can accept criticism. that is why his products are so innovative even wilson has to stick with using focal tweeters as it is not easy to find replacement products -------------------------------------- What a crap! So you now admit that you always meet your french boss all the time, next time I will speak or write to him how you "promote" JM LAB product in an outrageously opposite manner and truly deter guys like NAR who feel interesting. If FOCAL product truly sounds great, innovative and gorgeous as you said, just wonder why the archiv room of the renowned Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra (VPO) still picks the Wilson Speaker "Watt-Puppy 8" as their reference speaker[probably they upgrade to SASHA now] which you keep bashing on......instead of FOCAL or other European labels http://www.passlabs.com/pdfs/reviews/polton-xa160-x100_5.pdf Next time tell your boss in France to stop selling their "second rate" tweeters to WILSON, anticipating one day the VPO would adopt FOCAL using first-rate tweeter. Impossible is nothing. HA , HA , HA..... 最後修改時間: 2011-04-16 20:18:39 |
george1977 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.236 |
2011-04-16 20:08 |
| [#93] Magico Factory Tour Yes, you can make comment with sense, but when many people from the blog told you that your comment are often outrageous, inaccurate, do you ever listen to them and acknowledge their complaint against you??? You simply disregard people's feeling and carry on they way you did in the past. I hope you can find many friends in R33 or where ever you are. -------------------------- Well NAR, CPU only likes "wet dream" about FOCAL. He just listens or adopts those positive comment about FOCAL even the reviewer whom he always looks down or shows contempt. So let him to do self-abuse, otherwise he can't obtain any "orgasm" or sense of satisfaction by normal means. 最後修改時間: 2011-04-16 20:25:06 |
george1977 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.236 |
2011-04-16 20:16 |
| [#94] Britten: Noye's Fludde what have the LPs got to do with magico? --------------------------------- Coz CPU are the first guy who walk away from MAGICO topic, keep pormoting FOCAL speaker and bashing other speaker labels here. You set a bad example indeed. Before you accuse others, take a look yourself... |
george1977 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.236 |
2011-04-16 20:24 |
| [#95] Britten: Noye's Fludde This is why I repeatedly tell the U to start up a Focal Blog to promote his beloved speakers, again, this guy turned o his deaf ears. It doesn't matter anyway, no one will join him in a discussion there, the U may be in fear of loneliness there, therefore this may be the real reason he has no guts to start a new thread. One the other hand, I repeatedly plead cpu8088 not to mess around in a thread which has nothing to do with the theme in the first place. Again, he must be either deaf or blind ( this is the word I should use) to do just that and hang on to the unassociated thread like a leech. By the way, how do we remove a leech?? 最後修改時間: 2011-04-16 20:43:51 |
NAR 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.167 |
2011-04-16 20:41 |
| [#96] JM accepted criticism George, Don't you think some how you misunderstood cpu8088's comment? -- Read on and especially the second last paragraph of this post. His quote: "actually if you have met JM u will know he is one that can accept criticism. that is why his products are so innovative even wilson has to stick with using focal tweeters as it is not easy to find replacement products" After I spoke with a few people about speakers sales, Why did Wilson sell more speakers than JMLab, the same goes with other brand which out sell JMLab (but I will not go into the sales statistic here but use Wilson vs Focal/JMLab analysis only). From my brief understanding and of course I need solid proof to know that I am in the right direction to say this. One big question, if JMLab uses 1st rated Focal, as cpu8088 said, they should out sell Wilson (which uses 2nd rated Focal), however, sales indicated this is not the case and this means the 1st rate Focal may not necessary sound as good or as popular as the 2nd rated Focal Wilson use. I cannot deny the popularity of a product. Further investigation and I now realised the reason why they use the 2nd rated Focal is in fact better than the 1st rated Focal which Focal will never sell to Wilson in the first place, BUT, how do you explain to me when Wilson design their speakers together with their own specific design of speaker driver unit design, they need specific voice coil design and frequency respond and therefore Focal is OEM manufacturing the so called by cpu8088 , the 2nd rated Focal but in fact this comply with design suited Wilson better than what Wilson thought, the substandard 1st Rated Focal. So why the hell cpu8088 called 1st Rated Focal and 2nd Rated Focal is beyond me. !!!!??? (But I will keep the 1st and 2nd rated Focal naming convention for consistency reason in line with earlier quotation). FOR A CHANGE, cpu8088 said "JM IS THE ONE THAT CAN ACCEPT CRITISM" is in fact TRUE. I will not oppose his view in this regard because JM accepted the fact that their speaker range is cannot compete with other manufacturers using 1st rated Focal. Their products do not make him much money from the popularity point of view, BUT to make more OEM specification FOCAL for makers like Wilson will definitely make him richer. You never know, JM may copy the specification 2nd rated Focal design by OEM manufacturers then call it 1st rated Focal. 最後修改時間: 2011-04-16 21:58:59 |
NAR 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.167 |
2011-04-16 21:49 |
| [#97] JM accepted criticism Further investigation and I now realised the reason why they use the 2nd rated Focal is in fact better than the 1st rated Focal which Focal will never sell to Wilson in the first place, BUT, how do you explain to me when Wilson design their speakers together with their own specific design of speaker driver unit design, they need specific voice coil design and frequency respond and therefore Focal is OEM manufacturing the so called by cpu8088 , the 2nd rated Focal but in fact this comply with design suited Wilson better than what Wilson thought, the substandard 1st Rated Focal. FOR A CHANGE, cpu8088 said "JM IS THE ONE THAT CAN ACCEPT CRITISM" is in fact TRUE. I will not oppose his view in this regard because JM accepted the fact that their speaker range is cannot compete with other manufacturers using 1st rated Focal. Their products do not make him much money from the popularity point of view, BUT to make more OEM specification FOCAL for makers like Wilson will definitely make him richer. --------------------------------------- NAR, Quite possibly! Likewise, both KEF and Dynaudio kept supplying DIY and proprietary driver units to other manufacturers (for an example LS3/5A) in order to sustain their revenue and boast their market share; when these labels develop and earn high acclaim around the world with remarkable sales volume and market share, they suddenly withdraw from the DIY market and stop supplying their drivers units to other brand label, a smart and effective business strategy to eliminate their competitors techically and commercially. Probably, just out of my imagination, FOCAL still exists by virtue of selling their OEM driver units to Wilson Audio or other brands. On one hand, they make profit in order to cover their loss of revenue arising from their failure to outperform the sales figure of Wilson speakers, on the other hand, this would be a plot if FOCAL would suddenly withdraw their OEM service or proprietary unit supply might give Dave Wilson a big shock or good shoot. If FOCAL do so, probably it means subliminally that FOCAL ultimately overtakes WILSON AUDIO and outperform other speaker brands (including but not limited to B&W, MAGICO, Eggleston Works, Dynaudio) in terms of sales figure as well as technical specification.. Impossible is nothing! So what?! we aint know what under-table deal that FOCAL and Wilson Audio both reach.... Thanks for your reminder ^.^ George 最後修改時間: 2011-04-17 08:54:16 |
george1977 正式會員 119.xxx.xxx.82 |
2011-04-17 08:40 |
| [#98] JM accepted criticism NAR, you looks like a devil advocate, Did you ever receive any legal training before? I thought you are just a naughty DEAL-investor and freelance recording engineer, you keep me amazing! |
george1977 正式會員 119.xxx.xxx.82 |
2011-04-17 08:44 |
| [#99] JM accepted criticism It looks like they are playing a war game between the French (Focal) and the Americans (Wilson). As long as they are allies it is fine, otherwise, it will be become a real war and won't be kind (Focal to Wilson) or generous (Wilson to Focal) to each other. George, I totally agree with you, I think Wilson will be very worried about one day Focal will pull the plug from their supplies of speaker drivers. Then again Focal can steal Wilson's design and incorporate into their own so called improved 1st Rate Tweater, right?? If this is the case, this may not be ethical at all, but who knows, Focal is not going to tell us that they do. Therefore, I think all those Wilson died-hard supporters should go out and buy all the available Wilson speakers right now in fear of Focal pull their plugs in the supply chain to Wilson. I think David Wilson can truely go into retirement then. After that, Focal can slowly concentrate to improve the sound quality of their speakers to catch up to the competition for years to come. Its better be later than never. In the mean time, if JM can accept criticisms, then he should use 'music' to tune speakers instead of using sound or sound effect to design their speakers. I think I will wait for their further improvement and I have to also overcome being sceptical before consider buying their products. I go look for something else right now. 最後修改時間: 2011-04-17 10:11:31 |
NAR 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.167 |
2011-04-17 09:54 |
| [#100] JM accepted criticism It looks like they are playing a war game between the French (Focal) and the Americans (Wilson). As long as they are allies, otherwise, it will be real war and won't be kind (Focal to Wilson) or generous (Wilson to Focal) to each other. Therefore, I think all those Wilson died-hard supporters should go out and buy all the available Wilson speakers right now in fear of Focal pull their plugs in the supply chain to Wilson. After that Focal can slowly concentrate to improve the sound to catch up to the competition for years to come. Then again Focal can steal Wilson's design and put into their own and call it 1st Rate Tweater?? If this is the case, this may not be ethical at all, but who knows. ----------------------------- oh! infringement of patent, what a big issue! Dave Wilson should have signed some so-called common interest agreement (CIA) or non-disclosure agreement (NDA) with FOCAL, otherwise the French-american war might come true. The following content is out of my imagination, learned from Mr.CPU! ^.^ As FOCAL designer , claimed by CPU, design their speaker by pure sound or sound effect, they need the voicing of their first rate tweeter with the enormous help of Dave Wilson who designs his speaker by recorded music or live recording captured by himself. In return the consideration for Dave is that FOCAL makes OEM "second rated" tweeters specified by Dave Wilson exclusively for Wilson Audio. This is a business world with colluded and recripocral interest instead of zero-sum game,sharing technical know-how is prevalent in these industries, Who knows? Probably audiophile (music lover No No) should consider to buy FOCAL speaker with so-called "first rate tweeter", audiophile's ears starts to deterioate with diminshed hearing capability when we get older. The first rate FOCAL tweeter made by Berrylium has better extension of treble than any tweeters made by other manufacturers (SEAS, Dyna)....if you just listen sparkling high and ultrasonic high frequency noise without music at all. KA, KA, KA..... 最後修改時間: 2011-04-17 10:42:06 |
george1977 正式會員 119.xxx.xxx.82 |
2011-04-17 10:32 |
