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| [#3023] 八大才子 中之 三位 It seems even better to have 八大美人 as well. |
dkyyu 正式會員210.xxx.xxx.23 |
2007-03-14 17:19 | |
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| [#3024] 八大才子 中之 三位 It seems even better to have 八大美人 as well. -------------------------------------------- I vote 余慕蓮 她有一顆善良的心 http://www.google.com.hk/search?hl=zh-TW&q=%E4%BD%99%E6%85%95%E8%93%AE&btnG=Google+%E6%90%9C%E5%B0%8B&meta= |
Gingers 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.4 |
2007-03-14 17:37 |
| [#3025] 八大才子 中之 三位 For 平胸玩物 I vote Maggies :P |
Gingers 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.4 |
2007-03-14 17:43 |
| [#3026] 八大才子 中之 三位 How about 蓮妹 (Linn)? |
dkyyu 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.23 |
2007-03-14 18:43 |
| [#3027] 雋永的經典名作 QUAD ESL-63 Pro in terms of reliability, the ESLs are miles behind the Maggies. _________________________________ I totally agreed with limage. ESL have tons of draw backs. However, I am still willing to live with it. I have been too much addict to the natural sound of Quad and have lost interest in other speakers. I have been listening to my ESL57 almost every night for more than 15 years at normal sound level (about 80 dBs), I have not got any arcing yet. I think ESL will last as long as not being abused. Regds Patrick |
PCS100 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.58 |
2007-03-14 18:53 |
| [#3028] Polygamy --- the 8th Deadly Sin For limage http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.co.uk%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=AVO+tester&category0= |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.195 |
2007-03-14 20:37 |
| [#3029] Polygamy --- the 8th Deadly Sin http://search.ebay.com/avo-tester_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8QQsubmitsearchZSearch |
Gingers 正式會員 221.xxx.xxx.195 |
2007-03-14 20:39 |
| [#3030] 雋永的經典名作 QUAD ESL-63 Pro in terms of reliability, the ESLs are miles behind the Maggies _____________________________________________________________________ Patrick, I don't think you are really agreeing with limage, rather you are endorsing what I said about the difference in robustness of the 2 speakers. We are dealing with 2 different concepts here - reliability and robustness. What limage has mentioned is mostly about robustness, i.e. the ability to withstand abuse, and yes the Maggie is then miles ahead. Limage has described at length the differences in repairing the Maggie and the ESL63 which in our engineering term is called "mean time to repair (MTTR)", i.e. the average time to restore the item to normal, a concept thinly related to reliability. Most people has taken by convenience reliability to mean "mean time between failure (MTBF)", i.e. the average time between 2 failures under normal operation. Frankly I don't see there is any major differences in MTBF between the 2 speakers. Strictly speaking, reliabilty = MTBF/(MTBF+MTTR), so a longer MTTR would naturally reduce the reliability and if limage has such an engineering mind as referring to this specific definition, then he is partly right that there is a difference but not miles apart, taking that the MTTR of Maggie is a few minutes and that of ESL63 is a few days but the MTBF of both are tens of years. So limage is really referring to robustness but why do we have to bother, as long as we are supposed to operate under specified conditions. -----------this is purely for argument purposes--------- Dennis, Your insistence to putting me in the same category of the other brilliant literati in order to pervert your claimed plagiarism is to put you liable to be prosecuted for libel by these 4 greedy elite. The demand will be un-imagineable. I suggest you withdraw your insistence and we have an out-of-court settlement. I will settle with a pair of used ESL. |
cpsjj 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.251 |
2007-03-15 00:54 |
| [#3031] 才子 The fact that CP is a multi-faceted talented person, in the classical sense of the word, is beyond doubt --- feikeung如是說. I’m sure that most of you folks are in agreement will agree with me. |
feikeung 正式會員 211.xxx.xxx.131 |
2007-03-15 01:14 |
| [#3032] 雋永的經典名作 QUAD ESL-63 Pro CP......I agreed with what limage's statement that "in terms of reliability, the ESLs are miles behind the Maggies". That's the fact and no one can deny that. I just wanted to say if you are going after good sound (or the sound of your taste), that's the trouble you have to take. We are going after good sound, not robustness of a speaker or how easy to repair it. Am I right? Regds |
Pcs100 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.58 |
2007-03-15 01:28 |
| [#3033] Reliability of ESL Life is too short to worry about reliability or robustness. Ask yourself a question: how long do we keep our hi fi? Most ESL57 are over 22 years old, one cannot expect something to last forever. I used to work in the telecom sector. Even the submarine lasers used for the undersea optical fibres which cost thousand of US$ per module, the guaranteed lifetime is only 25 years! I would be very happy if my equipment last 22 years! Hon |
hifienthusiast 正式會員 80.xxx.xxx.12 |
2007-03-15 01:57 |
| [#3034] Reliability of ESL "in terms of reliability, the ESLs are miles behind the Maggies". That's the fact and no one can deny that. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Patrick, Unfortunately that is not a fact. Both speakers are equally reliable as a work-horse to reproduce beautiful music but the Maggies have better ability to withstand abuse. Have you not said that "I have been listening to my ESL57 almost every night for more than 15 years at normal sound level (about 80 dBs), I have not got any arcing yet. I think ESL will last as long as not being abused." |
cpsjj 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.118 |
2007-03-15 09:45 |
| [#3035] 八大才子 Dear CP, So far I hear no protest from any reigning 才子 yet. I have other suggestions such as 八君子 or 八雄 if you disliked the original. Personally, I favour to call you gentlemen 才子 or 君子. |
dkyyu 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.23 |
2007-03-15 09:47 |
| [#3036] 雋永的經典名作 QUAD ESL-63 Pro It's on my wish list again - Quad ESL-63 Pro. |
jcml 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.76 |
2007-03-15 09:49 |
| [#3037] Reliability of ESL Hon, Nice for you to put up with such boring postings. Yes, life is too short to worry about all these. Hope once we get the 63s up and running, we will have something to get you excited. |
cpsjj 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.118 |
2007-03-15 09:53 |
| [#3038] 八大才子 For Dennis, a pair of Double Quad made by Radio People. See: http://www.hifido.co.jp/KWRadio+People/G/P0/A10/J/0-10/S0/C07-30477-88843-50/  |
jcml 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.76 |
2007-03-15 09:53 |
| [#3039] 八大才子 Dear CP and Patrick, I think the EHT's diode inside the ESL will dry up after 15 to 20 years continuous operation resulting gradual drop in sound level not awaring by the user. Most ignorant users like me end up turning the pre-amp volume up to compensate the sound level loss until one day the arch happended from the overload input voltage. My ESL sounded pretty loud, probably higher than 100db, after the EHT've been renewed. So my dear ESL friends, please replace the EHT's diode with new ones, your ESL will become 長命百歲. |
dkyyu 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.23 |
2007-03-15 09:57 |
| [#3040] 八大才子 Dear john, I need the frame, please kindly advise me where the hell to get the frame. BTW, can you share out the amount you paid for the original EEL panel shipped from One thing Audio? Perhaps I may need to buy one bass panel to save Patrick's restoration work on my newly acquired ESL57. |
dkyyu 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.23 |
2007-03-15 10:01 |
| [#3041] 八大才子 Limage, CP, Feikeung and Patrick, Personally I don't have much concern on reliability as long as Patrick is happy staying in HK. I am more greedy than jcml and have already put Maggie in addition to all QUAF electrostatic on my wish list. I also saw an pair of large US made electrostatic panel in the shop asking HK$2K the day we took the ESL(0120) home. Now I am thinking ..... |
dkyyu 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.23 |
2007-03-15 10:05 |
| [#3042] 八大才子 Dear Dennis, I'm just an arrogant, irrational middle-aged scum who cannot agree with anything and anyone without being perfectly convinced. One thing I do believe without being convinced is a statement from Celibidache when he was praising Bruckner's symphonies and I quote here : "We start out from the pleasant sensation of the sound and all the associations between our sense of hearing and our emotions. But music is not beautiful – beauty is only the lure. Music is true. Music is not something charming but a unique opportunity to reach the eternal from the transitory. In music there is no longer anything material. The end is the direct, simultaneous consequence of the beginning.......................Bruckner, in whose symphonies this principle found its ultimate realization." So when we are enjoying the good sound, we are only at the entry level of music and spend our short transitory life fiddling with these never knowing or progressing to where the eternal is. And not knowing that the beginning is already the end! |
cpsjj 正式會員 203.xxx.xxx.118 |
2007-03-15 10:10 |
