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| [#3924] OTL for ESL Either to chase after a bridged mono GM20 with TVC or an active pre such as 27M with single GM20 OTL. Now I see a ray of hope. |
dkyyu 正式會員210.xxx.xxx.217 |
2007-07-10 21:52 | |
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| [#3925] OTL for ESL dkyyu, drwkng's 27M will be ready for your auditioning tomorrow. I've enjoyed and collected that this afternoon, thanks to Richard for his generosity. |
cpsjj 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.55 |
2007-07-11 20:34 |
| [#3926] OTL for ESL cp, don't forget to blast the outer set of outputs a good number of hours. i don't think richard has used that set at all. |
drwkng 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.140 |
2007-07-11 20:45 |
| [#3927] KingSound ESL in 超高級視聽展 dkyyu, A little while back you mentioned that you were interested in checking out the KingSound ESLs. In August they will be demonstrating in the 超高級視聽展 in August. http://www.kingsaudio.com.hk/index.html Hope this helps. I'll be going too. |
richardlai 正式會員 218.xxx.xxx.34 |
2007-07-11 20:59 |
| [#3928] KingSound ESL in 超高級視聽展 Let us know how they stand. Feikeung said it's all crap. |
cpsjj 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.55 |
2007-07-11 21:04 |
| [#3929] KingSound ESL in 超高級視聽展 Hi, Richard, I wished I'd visited their King's office but really too busy in business as well as OTL and TVC. Let's meet in that show. See you then and ake care Dennis |
dkyyu 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.217 |
2007-07-11 22:08 |
| [#3930] KingSound ESL in 超高級視聽展 Dear CP, Please allow me fto fix a date later in next week to hear the 27M in your studio. |
dkyyu 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.217 |
2007-07-11 22:09 |
| [#3931] KingSound ESL in 超高級視聽展 ＞Feikeung said it's all crap. They were probably not set up properly when I listened to them at a Shenzhen dealer's. Should give them another chance. |
feikeung 正式會員 59.xxx.xxx.232 |
2007-07-11 22:56 |
| [#3932] KingSound ESL in 超高級視聽展 What kind of set up did they use? Good room? Bi-amp? |
richardlai 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.225 |
2007-07-12 00:23 |
| [#3933] 27M The 27M is now properly set up and working, driving a pair of Modena and the ESL57. Initial impression is it is clinically detailed, certainly would not compare unfavourably with the TVC. I particularly like the lustrous treble, midrange is not as forward as the V72 by memory, yet to verify. But the pace seems a bit slow and relax. May be I should run the Modena for a few more hours.  |
cpsjj 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.124 |
2007-07-12 11:31 |
| [#3934] 27M nitial impression is it is clinically detailed, certainly would not compare unfavourably with the TVC. ------------------------------------------------- are you using the outer set of rca outputs or the inner set. for the modena, i think you should use the inner set. |
drwkng 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.111 |
2007-07-12 12:24 |
| [#3935] 27M The first day without the 27M, EICO ST-84 takes up the difficult task temporary. But it just can't compare at all with 27M's resolution power and smoothness of the sound.  |
rcwy 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.74 |
2007-07-12 13:21 |
| [#3936] 27M The first day without the 27M, EICO ST-84 takes up the difficult task temporary ________________________________________________________________________________ rcwy, Hope you can live with the ST-84, you are the Eico master anyway. The 27M doesn't seem to have any home sick and is playing happily with the other gears. I'm afraid I have to hang on to it for a little while as I can only arrange the Nagra to be here by next week for a comparison. are you using the outer set of rca outputs or the inner set. for the modena, i think you should use the inner set ___________________________________________________________________________ drwkng, Yes, I'm using the inner set for the Modena. |
cpsjj 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.124 |
2007-07-12 13:41 |
| [#3937] 27M CP, Don't worry. ST-84 matches the QUAD II much nicer than the LEAK TL/12.1. QUAD II is a bit slow in comparison and this feature "complements" the ST-84. :)  |
rcwy 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.74 |
2007-07-12 13:49 |
| [#3938] 27M The gain of the 27M may not be that high or I may have to get use to the different graduations. I am using this level to play Sarah Brightman's Phantom of the Opera and Callas' Casta Diva.  |
cpsjj 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.124 |
2007-07-12 13:51 |
| [#3939] 27M "The gain of the 27M may not be that high " The gain is about 8 (tube 27) to 12 (tube 56) times normally un-reduced (there is a switch inside the chassis to lower the gain to match with highly sensitive power amps such as LEAK). For circa 1.5V sensitivity power amp (e.g. QUAD II) to drive 90dB and above sensitivity speakers (e.g. Tannoy), the gain is good enough. But for LS3/5A (82dB) and the like, power amp sensitivity is best above 1V (i.e. requires below 1V drive). |
rcwy 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.74 |
2007-07-12 14:00 |
| [#3940] 27M "The gain of the 27M may not be that high " The gain is about 8 (tube 27) to 12 (tube 56) times normally un-reduced (there is a switch inside the chassis to lower the gain to match with highly sensitive power amps such as LEAK). For circa 1.5V sensitivity power amp (e.g. QUAD II) to drive 90dB and above sensitivity speakers (e.g. Tannoy), the gain is good enough. But for LS3/5A (82dB) and the like, power amp sensitivity is best above 1V (i.e. requires below 1V drive). --------------------------- So, if for LS3/5A and LEAK TL/12.1, 27M makes them a good matching team, and the gain of 27M is too high that requires lowering its gain (by pressing the buttom on the leftmost of the PCB on the back of the faceplate).  |
rcwy 正式會員 202.xxx.xxx.74 |
2007-07-12 14:17 |
| [#3941] 27M The gain of the 27M may not be that high or I may have to get use to the different graduations. I am using this level to play Sarah Brightman's Phantom of the Opera and Callas' Casta Diva. ----------------------------------------------------- the gain of 27M is deliberately set to low. i believe for listening to a normal level cd, the setting of the volume control should be around 12 o'clock. so the user has maximum swing on both directions for low level and high level cds. i don't believe in having a lot of gain and only the first few steps on the volume control. so you might have to get used to that^-^ |
drwkng 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.111 |
2007-07-12 15:01 |
| [#3942] 27M so you might have to get used to that _____________________________________ Got it. I just switched amongst TVC, 27M and V72. I must say I much prefer the 27M to the TVC, DEnnis may disagree. The TVC is still a shade more transparent but is also proportionally flatter, lacking slightly in dynamic. The comparison between V72 is more interesting, but I'll rather invite the owners to come and check it out. |
cpsjj 正式會員 219.xxx.xxx.124 |
2007-07-12 15:33 |
| [#3943] 27M The comparison between V72 is more interesting, but I'll rather invite the owners to come and check it out. --------------------------------------------------- if by owner you mean the 27M, then i suppose richard should go and check it out and see what we can learn by it. |
drwkng 正式會員 210.xxx.xxx.111 |
2007-07-12 16:01 |
